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Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:37 AM
Subject: [Futurework] Being a gentleman (was, Please listen to me!)

Harry,

At 14:05 27/06/2003 -0700, you wrote:
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Ray loves to josh and he mixes it into his wonderful "stream of consciousness" writing. (He doesn't like my describing it that way.) I enjoy it. Keith has been a bit affronted, apparently but, bless him, he made his point like a gentleman.
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Yes, I like to think I'm a gentleman. That's one of my greatest aspirations. I think you are, too. Perhaps it's because we are so bloody English. Even though you and I differ very considerably on several points, I think we both keep to facts as often as we can and we don't characterise each other's postings as "shit" or "garbage".
 
I submit that if something is waste then it should be labeled as such.  
Naming is a very English thing to do as Harry pointed out.
 
If you were to use these words about what I write, I wouldn't be affronted. I would just consider that your argument has little merit and not worth any reply.
That may be what it means to you.  
I don't use such terms lightly and never for effect.
Both Kazantzakis and myself are very literal in the use of the term.
You and I are both from the working class, so we are not natural friends of the rich or the establishment, even though we often admire the enterprising. We are both enemies of corruption, whether practised by businesspeople or politicians.
 
Who isn't for that?
 
You and I both reached (were elected to) senior positions in the Liberal Party in England in the 1960/70s, so I like to think that we couldn't have reached those positions unless we were both considered to be reasonably fair-minded by our peers.
 
My father did politics, I've never done politics.
 
Yet both of us are sometimes anathematised by some who consider themselves to be gloriously free from the normal courtesies
 
You may think you know what I mean when I say what I do
but you have to know what I mean before you can interpret
or analyze it.   In order to do that you have to ask rather than
assume.    You might begin with American grammar not being
Latin based as is English.
 
because they are so obviously and 100% *right* in what they emote about, whether it's
aesthetics,
yes
sexuality,
yes
politics,
I'm a liberal
economics,
Fool me once its learning,
fool me twice I'm stupid
and I'm not stupid.   I suspect
the rules of economics have
more to do with art than science.
So does the NYTimes.  They put
that last article on behavioral economics
in today's Arts and Leisure section.
history,
I've seen more lies called history
than you've written articles for the internet 
Same as economics, fool me once,  etc.
philosophy,
Don't know much.
race,
I can smell racism.  
science or
Know who to ask.
just about anything.
 
Gentleman is an interesting term with an interesting history but it will have to wait.  
Never write anything that your grandchild won't be proud of.  

Ray Evans Harrell

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