It is inconceivable to me that those writing on this thread have ever served a day as an enlisted man in the United States Army.
This rings true.
I knew I did not want to have ~an opportunity~ to go to Nam, and possibly to come back only in part, etc.
On the other hand, I would have jumped at the opportunity to be part of Jack Boyd's staff (if he had one).
My guess is that the military, like IBM of Old, is homologous with Dante's trilogy (AKA "Divine Comedy"). It has a heaven, a place of provisional perdition, and a hell.
Although, giving credit where credit is due, the civilian world is not all super-lunary quintessnce, either. (I have long been baffled at the eagerness of air corps officers at the end of WWII to shed their wings and don the uniform of business suits and ties.)
\brad mccormick
I would change 'equal opportunity employer' to 'equal
opportunity oppressor'. I met every conceivable type
of pervert, who believed that one more stripe on his arm
gave him licence to humiliate you under the guise of
'training'.
Imagine the valuable lessons learned from being forced
to clean a urinal with your toothbrush and then to be
ordered to brush your teeth. Most lessons began with:
"Young trooper, I am about to teach you a lesson.. ".
The movie 'An Officer and a Gentleman', I think it
was, depicted this type of behaviour to a tee.
That is not to say that transferable skills were not acquired. They forced me to learn to type, and that skill has stood me in good stead ever since.
I won't speculate about the finely honed killing skills acquired by combat veterans returning to the ghetto to find that there still were few good jobs on 125th street. The sensible way out of the ghetto was to stay in the army for 25 years, which many did.
Promotions were basically a function of clandestinely kissing the right ass, never becoming visible on your superior's radar, and always following orders. Good training for the corporate or institutional world.
The central lesson of military training, is of course to, and under all circumstances, follow orders. The success of the military can be seen today on television: Americans blowing away Iraqi's and Iraqi's blowing away Americans. Great.
The idealized view of the military as a training machine
forgets the realized view of the military as a killing machine.
Just my two cents..
Jerome Schatten Vancouver B.C.
Stephen Straker wrote:
ED brought to our attention --->
<<<<<The current issue of Atlantic [which] contains an article by Robert Kaplan entitled "Supremacy by Stealth"... It sets out ten rules that America, as the new Rome, should use to govern the world and make it safe for freedom and democracy, American style.<<<<<<<<<<
My first reaction on reading this piece was "Whoa! Reality check!" and was mightily struck to find out in how many countries the US has on-the-ground military operatives doing their thing (often in very small numbers) and, as Kaplan sees it, doing so quite effectively.
As you note, he portrays these operatives as highly talented and well-educated folks ... more like James Bonds than GI Joes (and I also wondered if there was a place for Jane Bonds in this picture of the New American Century).
RAY made a good point when he noted --->
that the military is the only truly equal opportunity employer in the nation... the most democratic institution in America ... performance oriented and not built upon the European aristocratic model. Prejudice against the military is unseemly and we should not carry that prejudice over into creating the kind of anger carried by the police. We pay the military poorly but train them well and demand much from them. They, more than any other Americans, can truly speak to the values of equality and equal opportunity.<<<<<<<<<<<
I think Ray is right about this. And not just as applies to multi-lingual graduates of poli sci departments & army war colleges.
Perhaps you recall back when he was Sec'y of DEEEEfence (in the LBJ admin) Robert McNamara proposed that the Pentagon should play a large role in *civilian* job training. This was greeted with hoots of derision by everybody in my liberal-minded crowd, and I well remember being drawn up short when McNamara made just Ray's point, assuring us smugly liberal types that the surest route out of the ghetto and poverty into highly skilled well-paid work was via the US Army. A very high proportion of African-Americans with steady jobs in heavy construction, for example, had gone from the ghetto into the army where they learned how to operate bulldozers, cranes, graders, and every other sort of heavy equipment. I imagine much the same is true also these days in electronics & computer stuff. (FWers! Are there any reliable data on this phenomenon??)
So when KAREN asks ---->
Have we undermined public education so much or lost all confidence in it that we only trust the military to train our leaders?<<<<<<<<<
I'm reminded to underscore the point about democratic ACCESSIBILITY that Ray made. Not only is the military an equal-opportunity operation, it is an educational institution with scholarships for all: you get PAID to be trained up.
Somebody mentioned Colin Powell as an example of the military as an agent of social mobility. It is relevant to note that although Powell grew up as a shopkeeper's son in the Bronx, he did go to tuition-free City College in the 1950s and was thereby already on a trajectory that could have landed him a professorship somewhere. [A friend of mine (from the same neighborhood in the Bronx, not far from Yankee Stadium) was a classmate of Powell at CCNY and he told me a little-known fact, that Powell is a fluent speaker of Yiddish, learned, of course, in the shop. The people who delivered ice to my friend's apartment building were blacks, also conducting their business in Yiddish. I'll bet it's something to behold when Powell starts up a conversation with some of his colleagues in the Israeli diplomatic corps.]
best wishes from summery Vancouver, where I am only about a week behind in my FW mail ...
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