Hi Ray,
 
A useful set of thoughts.
 
It does seem to me that the program of the World Bank and UNIFEM emerges from the Western (what you call the Yugoslav?) attitude to "development." This values the woman in the labour market but places little value on the woman in the home.
 
Also I agree that "allowing," (as Carl Rogers made popular in non-directive therapy) is generally preferable to being directive.  Pursuing this thought with respect to gender might lead to those women who desired it being "allowed" to become educated or to stay at home; to do only what they regarded as a fair share of the housework; to eschew classrooms where males were clearly hegemonic; etc.
 
Millions of women would surely face barriers from their spouse, their families and their society were they to adopt the stance that they should be "allowed" such activity. "Being allowed" then clearly needs to come into play -- and then we find ourselves back in the programmatic, do we not? The Bank, and western programs of development, intervening to enable, support and encourage changes in the social environment for women.
 
It seems to me that the situation is a conundrum more than a "sub-text or subversion of desires" as you suggest.  I don't quarrel that "the long way around" is often better than the direct route. However,  "creating an ability for people to flourish through 'allowing' things to happen" as you suggest, is also programmatic? And it is so whether done personally, (e.g. by a parent or friend), or by the World Bank?
 
That said, then it seems to me that your comments point to a deeper issue, whether seeking "equality" or anything else)?  When is it legitimate for any of us to intervene in the lives of others and, if ever, then how should it be done? Do we need to shift the women's issue from the bureaucratic action by the World Bank to another dimension, e.g. caring and loving spouses, families and cultures, and how might that be done non-programmatically? (I assume that you did not have in mind either the churches or NGO's when you spoke of the Bank as perhaps a wrong model or institution: what did you have in mind?)
 
You dismiss your comments as "not very practical" but it seems to me they are -or are potentially so -- they point to the questions we need to be asking.  
 
Gail
 
Gail Stewart
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Hi Gail,
 
Might this not be a condition of attitude on the part of the bankers?    The beginning is intent and intent is grounded in the language we use.   I always liked the basis for creativity grounded in the Hebrew Genesis.    In the beginning the original Creator stepped out into the universe and "Allowed" light to happen and it happened.   
 
If instead of "treating" people, an active thought, but creating an ability for people to florish through "allowing" things to happen, a more "passive" thought and using the "active" only in the case of criminal conduct, then perhaps we could come up with a different way.    In Latin based English grammar the passive is considered poor English.   Might we not be dealing with a sub-text or "killer assumption" here grounded in our very genius that subverts our desires?
 
 Too often the Yugoslav model or the most expedient model is used rather than a more long term development model.   I'm not sure how you do that but there are examples in the other professions of such things succeeding.   I suspect the problem is with the term "bank".     Perhaps that is the wrong model and institution to go about the world helping people.   Or maybe they should be a part of such an activity rather than leading it.    Just some thoughts on the matter.   Not very practical but maybe useful for further discussion. 
 
Ray Evans Harrell
 
 
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From: G. Stewart
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: [Futurework] Workloads

Speaking of work and and trade, here is an item posted this AM to another list.
 
I'd be interested in comments. Do you think these are reasonable objectives for the World Bank and UN? Do you see around you or in your own life evidence of their accomplishment? 
 
The fourth objective of UNIFEM gives me some  trouble, at least until the third and fifth are advanced -- otherwise it seems to me that we get wage distortions that affect international trade, possibly reducing rather than enhancing the general welfare. Wage inequities produced by "discrimination per se" carry a continuing odour of slavery? Nor, I think, is the problem confined to women but is conspicuous there and links with other issues, e.g. caring for children, health, population, etc.
 
What think you? How is the issue developing in your own surroundings?
 
Gail
 
 
This Friday's NOW with Bill Moyers focused on how women are faring in the
global economy, with Vandana Shiva explaining in a live interview how
globalization increases women's workloads. For those who missed the show,
the NOW site on pbs.org http://www.pbs.org/now/  is worth a visit.
cheers, Penney

Sample:
Rich World, Poor Women: Women and Work

There is an old saying that you can judge a society by the way it treats
its women. In the last several decades many world organizations have signed
on to that belief making improvements in the status of women among their
highest priorities. The World Bank's Millennium Development Goals put it
broadly: "Goal Number 3: Promote gender equality and empower women."
UNIFEM, the United Nation's Development Fund for Women lays out the road to
progress in greater detail:
    * Women's share of seats in legislative bodies should reach 50%
    * The ratio between girls' and boys' school enrollment rates should be
one to one
    * Average female weekly earnings as percentage of male weekly earnings
should equal 100%
    * Women's share of paid employment in the non-agricultural sector
should be expanded
    * Men and women should spend an equal number of hours on unpaid housework

Political power, education, type of work all these factors have an
influence on women's economic power....
 
 
Gail Stewart
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