Harry, thank you.  Very interesting stuff.  People have done terrible things to kids.  My father was seven when he went to work full time in a textile mill in Poland (probably ten to twelve hour shifts).  They needed small boys to crawl into machinery to make minor repairs and replace belts that had come off and thus eliminate the expense of shutting machines down.
 
The point I was making in my posting was not really about free trade, but about bargaining power in trade or any kind of transaction.  Where this is unequal, as it usually is, the transaction inevitably moves to the advantage of the more powerful bargainer.  The kind of situation you describe in south Wales eventually led to unionization and social legislation that moved labor/capital bargaining power toward greater equality for a time.  But I think that it's now moving the other way again.  As the Bill Moyers program I mentioned demonstrated, there is a huge inequality in bargaining power when people in poor countries make things for corporations in the rich world.  And, in the rich world, labor has moved into a position of greater insecurity, thereby losing bargaining power.
 
There has been an increase in the rate of GNP growth in the US recently, while at the same time large numbers of people have lost their jobs.  GNP growth is not based on increased employment, but on increased productivity.  The people who continue to be employed are working harder and longer.  They have to to keep their jobs, at least for a time.  The bargaining power of the employer vis a vis the employee has increased.  But even the employer's bargaining power is a bit of a sham.  Ordinarily, he would try to keep his labor force intact and meet his costs by raising prices.  That does not seem to be an option now because people, worried about their jobs, or having lost them, are reluctant to buy.  It's a bit of a vicious circle.
 
Regards, Ed
 

 
Ed,

My grandson Jeremy's father is a conservative Republican - and much has
rubbed off on Jeremy. During our recent month in Britain, I asked him the
same question on many occasions.

At Big Pit in Wales - an attraction that shows how the miners worked many
years ago, we went down 300 m. and toured the passages where coal had been
extracted. (Miners actually went down a lot deeper to the maze of tunnels
that extended in every direction for many miles.)

We heard how the 5 year old kids were employed (very full employment).
There were doors placed at strategic intervals in the mine to act as a
barrier in case there was an explosion, or fire.

The job of the 5 year olds was to open the doors when they heard a tram
coming. They were in pitch darkness so they couldn't see the door. So, they
had a string tied to their wrists and attached to the door. When they heard
the coal filled tram coming, they would pull the door open to let it through.

The lights from the miners helmets would be the only light they would see.
For the rest of their 12 hour shifts they suffered Stygian darkness, alone
but for the rats.

What was the question I asked Jeremy?

"Do you see why people became communists?"

He was quiet.

Things got a bit better in the second half of the 19th century - the Free
Trader era and the time of Pax Britannica. In fact, I remember one of the
Truck Acts raised the minimum age for child workers from 10 to 11. Wow!

Incidentally, a major action of one of the many Truck Acts was to force
employers to pay their workers in money rather than in kind. The miners at
Big Pit got some of their wages in scrip, which could only be used at the
company store - where prices were 30% higher. Oh, well!

So, anyway, the Free Traders raised the age of young workers from 6 to 11 -
among other things.

However, I'm kidding. The Science of Political Economy is a study of the
Production and Distribution of Wealth. Free Trade and indeed the free
market is the way to produce the biggest pie.

Controlled economies feature shortages and high prices.

Distribution of the pie is the problem. The free market ensures that the
pie will  be the biggest it can be. The point is, who gets the pie?

Behind Big Pit and the other South Wales  collieries that produced one
third of all the coal in the world at that time were the noble landlords
who owned South Wales While the five year olds were working the doors in
the dark mine, Lord Abergavenny was collecting the Rent from the 12,000
acres of scrub land under which they sat in the dark.

The Marquess of Abergavenny and the Marquess of Bute were the noble people
who owned the coal lands in South Wales and quietly collected the Rent.
Bute gave Cardiff Castle to the community (probably when it became to
expensive to maintain). He also gave a piece of land to Cardiff for a City
Hall (the guide at the castle thought this was so good of him).

Actually, it was part of what was called at the time "the largest real
estate deal in Europe".

The industrial revolution in England was financed by the ill- gotten gains
of the landowners. In Volume Three of Das Kapital, Marx pointed this out.
He also said that surplus value inevitably disappeared into higher Rents.
Volume Three is the one Marxists don't read.

I don't know what happened to Abergavenny when his pits were played out.
Bute did very well, selling an Aelbert Cuyp landscape to the National
Gallery for £8 million in 1992. He also raised £10.7 million from an art
auction in 1996.

All built on those 5 year old children.

I've mentioned this before, but in Pennsylvania unemployed miners found
seams near the surface in their back yards. So, it became the thing for the
miners to dig down and extract the coal. In the 30's they were taking out
about $35 million a year - an appreciable amount in those times.

When the land is monopolized as in Wales and Pennsylvania, the workers are
rack-rented into poverty.  This has nothing to do with Free Trade. It has
everything to do with landlordism.

And now in Britain what do we find after a century and a half? Some 70% of
the country is still owned by just 1% of the people.

It's as if people will never learn.

Harry

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Ed wrote:


Cool it, Keith! I haven't been following the  list  closely
for the past couple of days because  I've  been  busy  with
other things, but on reading it just  now,  I  found  Ray's
message interesting even if it was  off  your  topic.  And,
incidentally, I watched a program on PBS last (Bill  Moyer)
that suggested that free trade led  to  many  other  things
besides  openess  to  new   ideas,   including   the   mass
exploitation of the poor and desparate.

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