I apologize from the start about the current posts.    If I am to talk at all I must simply write extemporaneously.   That means that I will spell check but not correct problems that I usually attend to before I send out things.   I am extremely stressed at the moment with this Festival and yet I enjoy the list and the list's participants.   So I can't wait to see what you all have written in the morning.   But I can't take the day correcting my posts.   If that is a problem just pretend that I'm lurking and skip what I write.   If not then go with me on this journey and realize that there are potholes and boulders that you may have to go around.   REH
 
 
I second Ed's thanks for your sharing your story Harry.    I agree that the issue of rent is one of the problems and having been a renter all my life putting my money into the capital of my Art I now approach the end of life with only my life experience and my intellectual capital.   (no complaint just a comment).    As you know from the past, my idea of land is a bit different from the "owner" idea that is the current system in America.    I can't change it so I simply live within what is here.
 
I realize that people are tired of me bringing up "Indians" but if you consider that my doing so is no different than their talking from their own life experience and cultural perspective then I could claim to be tired and bored to death with Western cultural "excuses and culture bound descriptions of reality" but it wouldn't be true.   I love the Art and culture that I work within including the Western.     I argue that it is not a good thing to continually refuse to leave one's own Island of thought but an even worse thing to claim that your island is "reality."   It isn't.   I believe that it is good to affirm your own place but to speak in other systems and patterns.   If that is not done then even one's close neighbors become threats.  Like the Jews in Europe and the Arab that is very close to Judeo-Christian culture intellectually but emotionally is the other side of the world and as distant as Judeo-Christian culture is able to imagine.   I try to say this as kindly as possible but we "others" out here do talk to one another and I am not alone in the observation but evidently I am the only one telling you all.    The reason I say this is to once again open the door to another possibility out of the double bind that European culture and thought finds itself in as it enters the period of decline you all describe so eloquently.   My argument is that your decline does not mean the world will end. 
 
I would argue that the flaw in your rent/owner paradigm has to do with sustainability.   The system isn't sustainable.   Without some form of central planning to conserve resources your system simply runs down and today it is running out of energy.   And yet central planning is anathema to your concept of freedom, whether personally or in markets.    
 
I would argue that it was done differently from the European models, here in pre-Columbian America and that those systems still exists as shards that have been collected and tried in Europe to a mixed success.    I would argue that the mixed success is not a problem if the shard but of the system that it is meant to hold up.   In short it is a cultural issue.  
 
For example the child rearing practices introduced to the New World by Rousseau and borrowed from us said that children were children not little adults.    As such it was inhumane to treat children in the work force except as education and as education it had its own costs and requirements that were and are not the least bit productive.    Rousseau's introduction and challenge to the child slavery foundling system of Europe also created the challenge to the criminal child laws and brought about the end of hangings of children.    Mike Hollinshead has written an unpublished manuscript on the whole story.   
 
Rousseau borrowed his system from the America's but he didn't borrow the relational underpinnings.   William Blake, John Locke and others were influenced in their imaginings by the art and ideas coming from here.    Although Blake tried not to, most simply grafted our ideas onto the old Judeo-Christian graft onto the deep pagan roots of Europe.   In those roots there are some parallels but Christianity and the "Cradle of your Civilization, the Middle East" severely changed those deep roots.   To return to those roots in the 17th and 18 centuries in the "Noble Savage" was a "pipe-dream" that didn't and doesn't work.    
 
As all humans go through similar problems but solve them in different manners in the Pre-Columbian system there were fundamentalists just as there are in Europe.    People who turned metaphorical stories about sacrifice into "first fruit" rituals and created genocide just as in Europe.   And those first fruit stories (grounded in the gratefulness of Agriculturalists for the gift of life through food and the lessons of growth that became the pedagogy for our childrearing practices) are an integral part of our cultures.   But a literal approach to sacrifice was an illness in our societies.   "Too much of anything does not a good stew make" and was in conflict with the basic truth that "all of life as a lesson taught for the challenges of the "After World". (if there is one)    So our systems of technology, agriculture, aesthetics and economics were built not on fragmentary systems at war with one another but upon the way all of them fit together and worked as a team.    Our image was and is the human body and the way that the various systems work together to form a whole.   Illness, whether in the body or the society, is a lack of balance or metaphorically one part going to war with another, as in cancer.
 
So what does this have to do with European children in total darkness being used as intelligent mules or being used to crawl under the needles of the loom because an adult would be killed in the small spaces? (there were large foundling children graveyards next to those Arkwright factories)    
 
I argue that the idea of value that comes from the deepest bowels of Europe has a problem.   Until the European and especially the "old" rhotic Europeans here in the Americas, give up their cultural attitudes as to superiority and examine other models as real change, rather than as simply grafting new growth on an old rotten trunk, then nothing will work.    There is a problem with the language and its staleness.    The machine industrial utilitarian models are out of date and don't work for "organics."     If you want to make the social systems work then you have to remove them from the mechanization of 19th century economic and 18th century religious deist models about "automatic" systems that never existed in the first place.
 
Admit that the only system that is definitely there is "change".      And change is cyclic and has four parts.   It begins, it grows, it matures and it declines.   We call that the Four Directions.   I contend that the European system does not take time into account except as a singular stream.   Christianity tried to stop it in the "sacrifice of Jesus" where they use the same words of "stopping time" but it is not really time but "linear" time that Jesus is supposed to have stopped.   Unfortunately Christianity made its peace with that and birthed modern science with the same linear flaw.   That flaw permeates their science and reduces singular action keyhole views of reality to "laws" about the whole that work occasionally but not enough to sustain the whole.  The truth is that all stories are lies.    In Judaism, to raise that story to truth is to commit idolatry since the whole cannot be known or even spoken.    There is no one story but many stories and they are all a lie.   But strung together they indicate the truth.    Harry's system, the economist's system and all of the European professional systems do not constitute the answer to humanity but are one valuable view of the problem.   
 
Ed, you said that it was a shame that the American Indian view of the world had disappeared.   Actually, as an artist, I tried to make it clear why 1. that was inaccurate and 2. that it was important for the soul of the world that "ab-origin" be established.    I would add to that a third which is this.    We could call it the Three Grandfathers.    1. Truth  2. Identity and 3. Comprehension.    Comprehension means that you understand the system within which the process you are using evolved. 
 
You wouldn't put a carburetor from one automobile into another simply because both use carburetors.   You have to know the system of the make of car that the carburetor serves and how that works.    One carburetor run off of a computer could be totally useless and even damaging to another engine even if it did limp along.    Socialism as defined by Europe and equalitarian capitalism are primal units of pre-Columbian social and political systems.    They are grounded in the culture, aesthetics and spirituality of the system and those processes serve everything through the process that we call "relationship."    We say, "we are all relatives."  O mitake yuwasin.    Along with those primal elements we had some forms of patronage similar to those found in European Feudalism but the em-PHA-sis was definitely on a different sy-LLAH-ble.   
 
I would argue that the problems that you have both with equality (you used the term tyranny in conjunction with the word) and with social planning relate to the ancient feudal system and that simply changing the land ownership is not enough.   You have to understand the entire ethos and its problems and develop not a new Europe or a new Native America but here in America, at least, a new system that includes the values of the old but is built logically on the new realities.    19th century theories don't fit because this is the 21st century.    Knowing history is important because it means you know systems and you had better know systems if you are constructing a system in the present.   Understanding the systems that we carry within our psycho-physical-cultural makeup is crucial if we are to be wise about our assumptions that we bring to that system that we are building.   Certain assumptions can completely destroy simply because they are "out of time" and in the wrong place.  
 
The ancient philosophy of this place is practical and built upon observation.   The first lesson taught to the beginning shaman priest is "observe everything" and "know yourself".      Everything progresses from those two realities.     We are building something new because it is a new world.    We must respect that past but as Voltaire said "we owe it to the past to tell the truth."     Only in telling the truth can we respect the present and construct a humane reality.   Only in giving credit for the lessons can we learn the integration in the system and only in comprehending and mastering the values and goals of the system as a whole can we succeed.    I do not put this forward as the answer but as a mode of discovery for the search to the answers to the problems that we all are so good at observing on this list.   That Voltaire quote went something like this.   "You must respect the present if you are to survive and the greatest honor to the dead is to tell the truth."      Thanks for the journey.
 
Ray Evans Harrell 
 
 

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