Harry, could you imagine a a successful business with no owner?
A free market with no organization? Rhythm, culture? A successful corporation with no government? A peaceful people with no police? A successful family with no "greater experience?" A binding contract with no enforcement? A dynamic country with no government? I could but the specifics would be very context bound. The line of success would be very narrow and in many cases very short. I have no trouble with your land policies, and I come from a people who values freedom as a religion and tolerance as a law as long as all varieties limit their actions to their own spheres and don't bother the rest of us doing our own thing. I also work in private business and have avoided bureaucracies for 30 years. I don't personally like them and would die working in a school. But that doesn't make them bad, just not for me. And I see a lot of good come from their way. But you express ideas that seem true but in your own situation make no sense. Your school description is very Sparta like. I've run theater exercises that way but actors are tough. And I know martial arts groups who function in a "den of thieves" mentality with a mutual defense and I was even taught to drive a car that way. But the Senator from SD recently discovered the limits of "Getting away with things" when he hit that motorcyclist as he ran that stop sign. I know sports teams that teach the same "cheat if you can" push the ball forward or clip another person if the ref isn't looking. But the short term benefit of greater awareness and the death of the loser is a long term recipe for a lost consensus. I have taught many children raised in those types of environments. Like soldiers, they are very socially aware, but their success has its own limitations. And there are issues of intimacy and manipulation. I think that is what Selma was responding to with her descriptions from Erich Fromm. It is a long way from "The Art of Loving" to that school you described. What works with inner city kids is not the same as with the pampered kittens of the other side. The problem is to develop openness to change and comfort in growth. Mutual acceptance, love, intimacy and mutual benefit. Life gave us desire and pleasure as devices for success but learning how to moderate our desires and temper our pleasure without losing our genius keeps us sane. I chose another way to yours, as long as there are folks who play as nasty as the people I know who are from the dominant culture. I admire your tenacity and your faith but I do not share your faith and question the success of your tenacity in it. But it is yours and you must do what is yours to do. And you do have the advantage of the dominant culture. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brad McCormick, Ed.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "G. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Workloads :: From each to each for each.... > Ray, > > What amuses me is the way you bring up the malefactions of government and > complain about the invisible hand. Government is a very visible hand and > you complain about it again and again. > > Seems to me you would be better off with the invisible hand. > > Harry > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Ray wrote: > > >This is a good example of how those whose product is product always get less > >than those whose product is money. The Middle Earth people, you know the > >little Hobbits, Wizards and Dwarfs along with the Orcs, Gollums and others > >all collaborate to make their wars and stories and walk away with the money > >and the goods. All the rest get by. Why it works is because that hand > >that lifts the wallet really is invisible. > > > >We do all kinds of books about the culture of this and the culture of that. > >I think it is time for a new Lord of the Rings and do it this time with > >Speculators, Bankers, Landlords and other people of "worth". Not so long > >ago Wall Street ruined a law that had been passed to stimulate the Arts but > >used it to fund projects that would fail and stimulate a superior tax > >write-off that allowed them to keep other funds that would have been taxed > >at a higher rate. Congress responded by "closing the loophole" the > >speculative cattle grazed elsewhere and we were left paying the bill. Same > >with Ronnie Reagan's zero tax reform which reformed us out of a great many > >of our legitimate business expenses. That hand is all too invisible. > >Thanks for the post Brad. Harry, IMO you did better with Selma. > > > >Ray Evans Harrell > > > **************************************************** > Harry Pollard > Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles > Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 > Tel: (818) 352-4141 -- Fax: (818) 353-2242 > http://home.comcast.net/~haledward > **************************************************** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
