> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:29:18 +0100
> From: Christoph Reuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Futurework] FW Basic Income sites
>
> Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

> > You may wish to ask the new Justice Minister, Irwin Cotler, what his
> > position is on Canada adhering to the Universal Declaration of Human
> > Rights Article 25 which says that necessities of life are a "right".
> > Cotler is a former law professor with a human rights specialization.
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> The Swiss constitution (article 12) contains the right to a humane existence
> and assistance to those who can't look after themselves.

In times of high unemployment then, there must be a BI to make Article 12
mwaningful. Has anyone ever put it to the test in the courts?

  However, there's
> no general BI, and no need for it.  Maybe this has to do with article 6
> (which demands personal responsibility) and article 19 (which guarantees
> sufficient education for free, even to women who marry mean patriarchs).
>
> Ed Weick wrote:

> > If I read you right Ray, you are still associating BI with work, whether
> > for profit or not for profit.  I can't go there with you.  It sounds a
> > little too much like workfare, essentially grabbing people by the scruff
> > of the neck and making them do the shit work nobody else wants to do
>
> Who will "do the shit work nobody else wants to do" in a BI system ?
> Nobody, I guess.  But it has to be done.  (Not necessarily by workfare
> crews!)  Worse, a lot of "shit work" has to be done that isn't "profitable"
> and thus is not done -- unless paid by the state, but the state can't
> afford that if it has to pay a BI to everyone.

That's where the laws of supply and demand step in. An odious or even
odorous job will be accorded a high enough wage to attract employees.
Take a look at those crazy tv shows like "Fear Factor". I've seen people
crush worms with their feet and drink the worm juice just to win a few
dollars. I've never seen Worm-Crusher-Drinker in the CCDO (Canadian
Classification and Dictionary of Occupations) but if society needs such
people it knows how to find them!

FWP

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