Before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself... Nabble's default view (you are using Nabble, right?) shows comments with a rating of two or more. Your email was rated down to 1 (i.e. a poor post), so it is removed from the default view. You can reset the rating filter to 0 to see your original email. Why it was rated so poorly I'll leave to you to concoct a reason for just as you concocted your ill advised blaming of Zend for "deleting" your original email, a feat that is impossible unless they access every mail server list members use (and then access their PCs to get at the local copy).
Pádraic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.survivethedeepend.com OpenID Europe Foundation Irish Representative ________________________________ From: aoohralex <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:59:36 AM Subject: Re: [fw-general] Is there anybody from Zend team ? My critical subject about Zend Framework was deleted. Somebody from Zend deleted my post. My criticism PHP authors and Zend Framework in compare to other frameworks wasn't comfortable for Zend company. You can don't agree with me but delete my subject ? So again: I have started learn ZF because I wanted to learn something new. If we have range 0 – 10. My knowledge ZF is 1 – I can make basic things in ZF – connect to database, queries insert/update/delete, basic zend forms, authorization, use jquery and layout in zend, controllers, views. My knowledge Symfony Framework is 5. My knowledge ASP.NET MVC (not ASP.NET) is 4. Now I can say that ZF is very bad framework or maybe rather it isn't a framework. Everybody knows that authors of PHP are always late and behind – for example PHP is really OO from version v5 (eariel it was only some OO elements in PHP). The same is in Zend Framework – this framework is behind others frameworks. First - Zend_Db is nothing compared to Doctrine ORM. Using Zend_Db I have to create myself models: http://framework.zend.com/docs/quickstart/create-a-model-and-database-table !!!!! In Symfony Framework with Doctrine ORM and in ASP.NET MVC with Linq to SQL I don't need because it is wasting of time – there it is automatic – in Symfony using console and in ASP.NET MVC using Visual Studio. Of course Doctrine and Linq to SQL have got more better things. In Zend Framework almost nothing you can do using console (of course almost nothing compared to Symfony) – in Symfony using console you can generate much more (I don't use in Symfony console to generate modules, controllers or forms but for begginners it is very comfortable). In ASP.NET MVC I don't need use console but Visual Studio but ASP.NET MVC is very young so generated controllers/views etc. don't have so good code as in Symfony. In ASP>NET MVC and Symfony Framework I don't need to enable layout like in Zend Framework. The most horrible thing in Zend it was for me Zend_Acl – using that I can't still make that only logged users can have access to action 'add' controller 'books' – in Symfony I can make that using 2 lines of code in module 'books': add: is_secure: on and in ASP.NET one line of code in controller: [Authorize] What is more in Symfony and ASP.NET MVC we have tables in database and everything else related with users, authorization etc. created in these frameworks – in Zend I must myself do that. There is of course more good things in these frameworks – better than in Zend. Documentation – hahah – in Zend documentation is chaotic, is HORRIBLE !! Have you ever seen documentation of Symfony or ASP.NET MVC ? I have never seen worse documentation than in Zend. For me Zend isn't a framework but rather components that we can use in other frameworks – for example Zend Lucene in Symfony: http://www.symfony-project.org/jobeet/1_2/Doctrine/en/17 As I thought – authors of PHP are always late and they are always behind so Zend is always late and behind. For now Symfony and ASP.NET MVC are from XXI aga, Zend is from XX age. This was my compare these frameworks. Sry for my English – it isn't my national language. PS. bold text = I am angry because of delete my subject by Zend company. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-there-anybody-from-Zend-team---tp25455352p25531048.html Sent from the Zend Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
