On Tuesday 16 Nov 2010 23:34:17 Nick Daugherty wrote: > Hi Jurian, > > I'm not sure if Benjamin's reasons for stopping were 'very good'...to me it > sounds like it came down to him not having enough time to flesh everything > out and get it as functional as Doctrine, rather than real reasons for > excluding it from Zend. If we find additional interest in the project, it > should be revisited.
The Zend Framework is an open source and community driven project. When one person takes all the effort for one component and (almost) nobody is able to help him, I think that is a very good reason. This does not mean the inclusion of an ORM will never happen. If somebody is willing to write, it will probably happen. But it takes a huge amount of effort (and is it worth it?). > And of course Doctrine integration should still exist...the Zend_Entity (or > whatever it turned out to be) would be an option for Developers...nobody > would be forced to use it. It would simply provide ORM 'out of the box' in > a native Zend Framework implementation. Those that preferred Doctrine > would be free to use that. > > I'm not sure why you say an ORM is 'too much'...if ORM is too much, do you > consider MVC to be 'too much'? It controls how your entire application is > written, not just the persistence. No. If it already exists and 99% of the users can use the (basic) Zend\Db and/or Doctrine, I'd call it too much. Until now there is no MVC implementation besides Zend which can integrate into ZF nicely, so MVC is not too much. Regards, Jurian -- Jurian Sluiman Soflomo - http://soflomo.com
