Hi Emmanuel, On 10 November 2014 23:11, Emmanuel Bouton <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi all, > > I'm a ZF coder for 5 years now. I started with ZF1 and enjoyed its > simplicity. > Then I moved to ZF2 and enjoyed its ability to lead us writing clean code. > > However by now I'm really confused by the status of the framework : > > - Activity of the mailing lists (fw-general + fw-contributors) : 10 > threads / month max > Yes, that's probably due to the fact that nabble is a terrible, terrible interface for interacting with the mailing list (I use it scarcely myself too), and the mailing list itself is not used that much anymore since development discussions typically happen on github, while questions go to Stackoverflow. > - Activity of the source repository : > https://github.com/zendframework/zf2/graphs/commit-activity > => really scary ! > Nothing scary at all to be honest: merges happen in bursts when someone has time to handle them (someone in the CR team: next up is me, in order to push 2.4 out the door, which should happen in the next weeks). > Did I missed something ? > > I know that you guys are working hard on apigility, and I'm sure that it is > an exciting project, but don't forget that if the framework dies, apigility > won't survive ! > Apigility is the focus of the Zend team, not of all the community nor the CR team. I'm definitively not a fan of Symfony but you must recognise that they have > a really aggressive marketing, a strong and active community, a really good > documentation, and so on ! > > So if nothing is done in the next month, it will be harder and harder for > your fervent defenders to have arguments against your detractors !!! > Agree on that, but we don't have marketing for ZendFramework at all, since it's mainly a community project, and not the primary focus of any company. As for the community, it needs to wake up indeed: most frequent contributors are mainly off building small decoupled components that don't even depend on ZF, that's why you don't really see ZF mentioned a lot. I actually think this is a good thing (decoupled, independent components: it means that there is some maturity in design decisions being made), but it may indeed be perceived as low developer activity. > I'm sure that you already have read the blog post of Michael : > http://www.michaelgallego.fr/blog/2014/10/04/status-of-zend-framework-3/ > Please take the time to give an answer ! Give us more visibility ! > > My comment on this post : > - Choice n°1 : nobody wants that but it's definitively up to you guys ! > - Choice n°2 : acceptable solution but doesn't seems to fit with your > availability. > - Choice n°3 : my favourite ;) > Some actions have been taken exactly based on that post. What can be said here is that ZF 2.4 needs to be released before we kickstart things again, and it takes some effort to get there (a couple hundred issues to deal with: will likely do this week). > Please don't be offended by my words, I'm just a little sheep that needs to > be reassured by his shepherd ;) > You're not the first to ask about this situation, nor I think you will be the last, so no need to worry, nobody is being offended by perfectly legit questioning. Greets, Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/
