Thanks Marco for your answer ! I'll suscribe to stackoveflow and github updates :)
2014-11-11 2:12 GMT+01:00 Marco Pivetta <[email protected]>: > Hi Emmanuel, > > On 10 November 2014 23:11, Emmanuel Bouton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm a ZF coder for 5 years now. I started with ZF1 and enjoyed its >> simplicity. >> Then I moved to ZF2 and enjoyed its ability to lead us writing clean code. >> >> However by now I'm really confused by the status of the framework : >> >> - Activity of the mailing lists (fw-general + fw-contributors) : 10 >> threads / month max >> > > Yes, that's probably due to the fact that nabble is a terrible, terrible > interface for interacting with the mailing list (I use it scarcely myself > too), and the mailing list itself is not used that much anymore since > development discussions typically happen on github, while questions go to > Stackoverflow. > > >> - Activity of the source repository : >> https://github.com/zendframework/zf2/graphs/commit-activity >> => really scary ! >> > > Nothing scary at all to be honest: merges happen in bursts when someone > has time to handle them (someone in the CR team: next up is me, in order to > push 2.4 out the door, which should happen in the next weeks). > > >> Did I missed something ? >> >> I know that you guys are working hard on apigility, and I'm sure that it >> is >> an exciting project, but don't forget that if the framework dies, >> apigility >> won't survive ! >> > > Apigility is the focus of the Zend team, not of all the community nor the > CR team. > > I'm definitively not a fan of Symfony but you must recognise that they have >> a really aggressive marketing, a strong and active community, a really >> good >> documentation, and so on ! >> >> So if nothing is done in the next month, it will be harder and harder for >> your fervent defenders to have arguments against your detractors !!! >> > > Agree on that, but we don't have marketing for ZendFramework at all, since > it's mainly a community project, and not the primary focus of any company. > As for the community, it needs to wake up indeed: most frequent > contributors are mainly off building small decoupled components that don't > even depend on ZF, that's why you don't really see ZF mentioned a lot. > I actually think this is a good thing (decoupled, independent components: > it means that there is some maturity in design decisions being made), but > it may indeed be perceived as low developer activity. > > >> I'm sure that you already have read the blog post of Michael : >> http://www.michaelgallego.fr/blog/2014/10/04/status-of-zend-framework-3/ >> Please take the time to give an answer ! Give us more visibility ! >> >> My comment on this post : >> - Choice n°1 : nobody wants that but it's definitively up to you guys ! >> - Choice n°2 : acceptable solution but doesn't seems to fit with your >> availability. >> - Choice n°3 : my favourite ;) >> > > Some actions have been taken exactly based on that post. > What can be said here is that ZF 2.4 needs to be released before we > kickstart things again, and it takes some effort to get there (a couple > hundred issues to deal with: will likely do this week). > > >> Please don't be offended by my words, I'm just a little sheep that needs >> to >> be reassured by his shepherd ;) >> > > You're not the first to ask about this situation, nor I think you will be > the last, so no need to worry, nobody is being offended by perfectly legit > questioning. > > Greets, > > Marco Pivetta > > http://twitter.com/Ocramius > > http://ocramius.github.com/ > > >
