Thanks, Joe.

I'm also an oldtimer, and have been through several of the same languages as you, including AWK, which likewise has a warm place in my heart. But no, I wouldn't want to teach it to beginners either. ;)

Cheers,
Vern

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I'm a long time lurker, first time poster (to this list). First off, congratulations to Vern for finding a way to get students interested in programming. If Python works for you and the students - all the power to you. I'm sure they won't be damaged by process.

As a recovering language snob I've learned to accept that there are no good or bad languages. Just appropriate and inappropriate for a given task in a given environment. Most of my day is now spent managing people, budgets, and projects, but I still get in 5-10 hours a month programming with a 50/50 split between a COBOL/DLI/Mainframe environment and an SQL/C#/VB.Net environment. Toss in flashbacks to past production work in Pascal, C/C++, Delphi (OO Pascal), Fortran, and assembler and I screw up statement terminators and block indicators the first few minutes of work every time.

What I've seen of Python I can't see any issues using it as a starting language. Any good programming curriculum will eventually get around to the strengths and weaknesses of strongly typed vs loosely typed languages. Same for procedural vs object oriented coding.

When hiring, I'll hire a 'language specialist' if needed but I prefer breadth of experience, both computer and business, when I have a choice.

And I still bust out AWK every few years to solve a problem even though it takes ten times as long for me to remember and get the syntax correct as it does to write the program. Now AWK would be an inappropriate choice for a first language.

Joe Kokosa

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