P.S. My parents have had horrible experiences with Comcast and have sworn they will never go back. I wonder what they are going to do now?
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:23 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Fwlug mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fwlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Sim?n Ruiz) > 2. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Vern Ceder) > 3. Re: Fwlug Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 (Joseph Brennan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:30:36 -0500 > From: Sim?n Ruiz <[email protected]> > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Shirona A. Gunawardhana > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I tried all 3 FIOS services when > > it first came out and their billing and customers service drove me > bonkers. > > Shirona > > FWIW, This was my experience with Verizon, regardless of which > service: FiOS, DSL, cellular phones... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:49:43 -0500 > From: Vern Ceder <[email protected]> > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]<aanlktimcppkej368c2go5-yvzhmpzyx%[email protected]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I can only answer you last question - we have been completely cable TV > free for almost a year now, relying on antenna, Netflix, Hulu, and > occasionally *cough* "other sources". > > Vern > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per > > month? ?That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will > > change for FIOS customers.... ?Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." ?(Maniacal > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). > > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are > > similar. > > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. ? The bad news > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. > > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of FIOS > > internet too. ?This means that FIOS internet may be next on the chopping > > block. > > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. > > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a less > > than stellar HD signal? ?(Do you care?) > > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? > > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fwlug mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please keep > this in mind before posting. > > > > > > -- > Vern Ceder > [email protected], [email protected] > The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:23:04 -0500 > From: Joseph Brennan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Fwlug Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]<yvogbfsr%2b%2bv5j_f%2bnjvd%2boj1cqk0n__g3%[email protected]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I only watch cable TV at home when I am ironing, and then it's more like > "listening." My flatscreen computer monitor is larger and nicer than my > small, more-than-a-decade-old CRT TV, and I also have a nice sound system > attached to it; my cheap-o TV is monophone. If I don't feel like sitting at > my desktop, I sit in an easy chair and watch my movie on my netbook and > listen through a pair of headphones. I wanted FIOS for the "blazing fast" > Internet, not TV, which I don't really care about. I watch DVDs or Netflix > and Hulu on my computer. When I watch a game, it's usually at someone > else's > house. > > If they reduce Internet speeds, there really will be no point for me in > having FIOS. Last year, we were talking hopefully of Google Fiber on this > list, and now we're talking about going back to DSL speeds? I should have > known all along: "Frontier" in American English is synonymous with > "backwoods." (No offense to list members who actually live in the woods, > but > I must say, whenever I visit friends or family who live in the woods, I am > usually pretty underwhelmed by their Internet connection. It's an > adventure > to hike three miles down a rural West Virginia highway dodging unleashed, > un-fenced and potentially rabid hounds to check my e-mail once-in-awhile, > but I wouldn't want to have to do it every day. The only option at my aunt > & uncle's cabin was satellite Internet, which performed so poorly that they > cancelled it. Now I go to the Cathedral Cafe in Fayetteville to get online > when visiting them. The Internet speed is acceptable, and the pancakes are > delicious!) > > A few months ago, I signed this West Virginia broadband petition: > http://www.westvirginia.com/. I commented "If I am permitted the analogy > to > other mountainous states, West Virginia is choosing whether be the > Switzerland of the USA, or its Afghanistan." I guess we know now which path > Indiana is choosing... > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Send Fwlug mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Fwlug digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Rob Ludwick) > > 2. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Christer Watson) > > 3. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Rob Ludwick) > > 4. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Shirona A. Gunawardhana) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:25:04 -0500 > > From: Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> > > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> > > Subject: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV > > Message-ID: <1295724304.5070.42.camel@joel> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per > > month? That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will > > change for FIOS customers.... Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." (Maniacal > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). > > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are > > similar. > > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. The bad news > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. > > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of FIOS > > internet too. This means that FIOS internet may be next on the chopping > > block. > > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. > > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a less > > than stellar HD signal? (Do you care?) > > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? > > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:36:45 -0500 > > From: Christer Watson <[email protected]> > > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Could someone explain to me why they might be doing this? They paid > > all this money for a fiber optic network. In what business model does > > it make sense to then not use it? Can they really stay in business > > selling DSL speeds?! > > > > btw, I live without cable and haven't had too many problems. The two > > biggest are: > > 1) some shows you have to resign yourself to watching a year late on > > DVD/Netflix (e.g. boardwalk empire, true blood, etc.) > > 2) some sports you just won't get (e.g. Monday Night Football,...) > > > > If those aren't deal-breakers, give it a try. > > > > Cheers, > > > > --Christer > > > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per > > > month? ?That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will > > > change for FIOS customers.... ?Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." ?(Maniacal > > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). > > > > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free > > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are > > > similar. > > > > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had > > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. ? The bad news > > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it > > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. > > > > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of FIOS > > > internet too. ?This means that FIOS internet may be next on the > chopping > > > block. > > > > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. > > > > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a less > > > than stellar HD signal? ?(Do you care?) > > > > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? > > > > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fwlug mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > > > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please keep > > this in mind before posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:33:28 -0500 > > From: Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV > > Message-ID: <1295753608.5697.41.camel@joel> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > I think it's worse than that. > > > > My understanding was that the telco's had to provide competitor access > > on copper based service. Verizon secured regulation/approval to prevent > > FIOS from being a conduit for third party services. > > > > The second the copper is hooked back up, a person in Fort Wayne can hook > > up using this company: > > http://xymmetrix.com/services/internet_access.html > > > > And suddenly it makes no sense to keep Frontier. > > > > BTW, the letter said that TV rates were going up. They neglected to say > > it was staying the same for those on contract with triple play services. > > The Frontier rep apologized for the confusion on the phone today. So it > > turns out I'm good until 2012. > > > > On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 21:36 -0500, Christer Watson wrote: > > > Could someone explain to me why they might be doing this? They paid > > > all this money for a fiber optic network. In what business model does > > > it make sense to then not use it? Can they really stay in business > > > selling DSL speeds?! > > > > > > btw, I live without cable and haven't had too many problems. The two > > > biggest are: > > > 1) some shows you have to resign yourself to watching a year late on > > > DVD/Netflix (e.g. boardwalk empire, true blood, etc.) > > > 2) some sports you just won't get (e.g. Monday Night Football,...) > > > > > > If those aren't deal-breakers, give it a try. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > --Christer > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per > > > > month? That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will > > > > change for FIOS customers.... Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." > (Maniacal > > > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). > > > > > > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free > > > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are > > > > similar. > > > > > > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had > > > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. The bad > news > > > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it > > > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. > > > > > > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of > FIOS > > > > internet too. This means that FIOS internet may be next on the > > chopping > > > > block. > > > > > > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. > > > > > > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a > less > > > > than stellar HD signal? (Do you care?) > > > > > > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? > > > > > > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Fwlug mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > > > > > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please > keep > > this in mind before posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fwlug mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > > > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please keep > > this in mind before posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:59:29 -0500 > > From: "Shirona A. Gunawardhana" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]>, "'Fort Wayne Linux Users Group'" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV > > Message-ID: <000301cbbab1$ef1f6160$cd5e2420$@com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Frontier cannot get the same volume discounts Verizon, Comcast, Dish, > > Direct, Cox gets from channel providers. Most channel providers increased > > their prices recently. FIOS TV is only 7% of their revenue in this > market. > > Frontier is going to lose $9 to $32 per every customer who has FIOS TV > and > > it will be very hard for them to explain this to their share holders. > > So cutting a deal with Direct TV and recommending (forcing) them to all > > current subscribers at worst will land them some profit. Remember IBM > > struggling with PC/laptop, x86 processors (AMD) and printer (Lexmark) > > business? IBM after letting go of these are doing much better as a > company. > > I use Comcast for internet and Dish for TV. I tried all 3 FIOS services > > when > > it first came out and their billing and customers service drove me > bonkers. > > Shirona > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Christer Watson > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:37 PM > > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV > > > > Could someone explain to me why they might be doing this? They paid > > all this money for a fiber optic network. In what business model does > > it make sense to then not use it? Can they really stay in business > > selling DSL speeds?! > > > > btw, I live without cable and haven't had too many problems. The two > > biggest are: > > 1) some shows you have to resign yourself to watching a year late on > > DVD/Netflix (e.g. boardwalk empire, true blood, etc.) > > 2) some sports you just won't get (e.g. Monday Night Football,...) > > > > If those aren't deal-breakers, give it a try. > > > > Cheers, > > > > --Christer > > > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per > > > month? ?That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will > > > change for FIOS customers.... ?Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." ?(Maniacal > > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). > > > > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free > > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are > > > similar. > > > > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had > > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. ? The bad news > > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it > > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. > > > > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of FIOS > > > internet too. ?This means that FIOS internet may be next on the > chopping > > > block. > > > > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. > > > > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a less > > > than stellar HD signal? ?(Do you care?) > > > > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? > > > > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fwlug mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > > > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. 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