The respwonsible party would be me. ;) Frontier knows how to compete in a market where they are the only game in town. Raise prices and reduce services!
Joseph Brennan <[email protected]> wrote: >I thought the Frontier possibly scrapping FIOS rumor was a bit far-fetched, >but if they'll go this far, who knows? >http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/111802 > >Who started this thread again? Thanks for giving me a huge new source of >anxiety in my life! > >On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:25 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Send Fwlug mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fwlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Fwlug Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 (Joseph Brennan) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:25:37 -0500 >> From: Joseph Brennan <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [fwlug] Fwlug Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 >> Message-ID: >> >> <[email protected]<a0%[email protected]> >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> P.S. My parents have had horrible experiences with Comcast and have sworn >> they will never go back. I wonder what they are going to do now? >> >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:23 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Send Fwlug mailing list submissions to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > [email protected] >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of Fwlug digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Sim?n Ruiz) >> > 2. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Vern Ceder) >> > 3. Re: Fwlug Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 (Joseph Brennan) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:30:36 -0500 >> > From: Sim?n Ruiz <[email protected]> >> > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV >> > Message-ID: >> > <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Shirona A. Gunawardhana >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > I tried all 3 FIOS services when >> > > it first came out and their billing and customers service drove me >> > bonkers. >> > > Shirona >> > >> > FWIW, This was my experience with Verizon, regardless of which >> > service: FiOS, DSL, cellular phones... >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:49:43 -0500 >> > From: Vern Ceder <[email protected]> >> > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > <[email protected]<aanlktimcppkej368c2go5-yvzhmpzyx%[email protected]> >> <aanlktimcppkej368c2go5-yvzhmpzyx%[email protected]<aanlktimcppkej368c2go5-yvzhmpzyx%[email protected]> >> > >> > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > I can only answer you last question - we have been completely cable TV >> > free for almost a year now, relying on antenna, Netflix, Hulu, and >> > occasionally *cough* "other sources". >> > >> > Vern >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per >> > > month? ?That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will >> > > change for FIOS customers.... ?Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." ?(Maniacal >> > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). >> > > >> > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free >> > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are >> > > similar. >> > > >> > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had >> > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. ? The bad news >> > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it >> > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. >> > > >> > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of FIOS >> > > internet too. ?This means that FIOS internet may be next on the >> chopping >> > > block. >> > > >> > > A couple of questions for the LUG. >> > > >> > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a less >> > > than stellar HD signal? ?(Do you care?) >> > > >> > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? >> > > >> > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Fwlug mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> > > >> > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please keep >> > this in mind before posting. >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Vern Ceder >> > [email protected], [email protected] >> > The Quick Python Book, 2nd Ed - http://bit.ly/bRsWDW >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:23:04 -0500 >> > From: Joseph Brennan <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Fwlug Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > <[email protected]<yvogbfsr%2b%2bv5j_f%2bnjvd%2boj1cqk0n__g3%[email protected]> >> <yvogbfsr%2b%2bv5j_f%2bnjvd%2boj1cqk0n__g3%[email protected]<yvogbfsr%252b%252bv5j_f%252bnjvd%252boj1cqk0n__g3%[email protected]> >> > >> > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > I only watch cable TV at home when I am ironing, and then it's more like >> > "listening." My flatscreen computer monitor is larger and nicer than my >> > small, more-than-a-decade-old CRT TV, and I also have a nice sound system >> > attached to it; my cheap-o TV is monophone. If I don't feel like sitting >> at >> > my desktop, I sit in an easy chair and watch my movie on my netbook and >> > listen through a pair of headphones. I wanted FIOS for the "blazing fast" >> > Internet, not TV, which I don't really care about. I watch DVDs or >> Netflix >> > and Hulu on my computer. When I watch a game, it's usually at someone >> > else's >> > house. >> > >> > If they reduce Internet speeds, there really will be no point for me in >> > having FIOS. Last year, we were talking hopefully of Google Fiber on >> this >> > list, and now we're talking about going back to DSL speeds? I should have >> > known all along: "Frontier" in American English is synonymous with >> > "backwoods." (No offense to list members who actually live in the woods, >> > but >> > I must say, whenever I visit friends or family who live in the woods, I >> am >> > usually pretty underwhelmed by their Internet connection. It's an >> > adventure >> > to hike three miles down a rural West Virginia highway dodging unleashed, >> > un-fenced and potentially rabid hounds to check my e-mail once-in-awhile, >> > but I wouldn't want to have to do it every day. The only option at my >> aunt >> > & uncle's cabin was satellite Internet, which performed so poorly that >> they >> > cancelled it. Now I go to the Cathedral Cafe in Fayetteville to get >> online >> > when visiting them. The Internet speed is acceptable, and the pancakes >> are >> > delicious!) >> > >> > A few months ago, I signed this West Virginia broadband petition: >> > http://www.westvirginia.com/. I commented "If I am permitted the analogy >> > to >> > other mountainous states, West Virginia is choosing whether be the >> > Switzerland of the USA, or its Afghanistan." I guess we know now which >> path >> > Indiana is choosing... >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Send Fwlug mailing list submissions to >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > > than "Re: Contents of Fwlug digest..." >> > > >> > > >> > > Today's Topics: >> > > >> > > 1. Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Rob Ludwick) >> > > 2. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Christer Watson) >> > > 3. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Rob Ludwick) >> > > 4. Re: Frontier Ditching FIOS TV (Shirona A. Gunawardhana) >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > Message: 1 >> > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:25:04 -0500 >> > > From: Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> >> > > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> >> > > Subject: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV >> > > Message-ID: <1295724304.5070.42.camel@joel> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> > > >> > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per >> > > month? That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will >> > > change for FIOS customers.... Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." (Maniacal >> > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). >> > > >> > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free >> > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are >> > > similar. >> > > >> > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had >> > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. The bad news >> > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it >> > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. >> > > >> > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of FIOS >> > > internet too. This means that FIOS internet may be next on the >> chopping >> > > block. >> > > >> > > A couple of questions for the LUG. >> > > >> > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a less >> > > than stellar HD signal? (Do you care?) >> > > >> > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? >> > > >> > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Message: 2 >> > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:36:45 -0500 >> > > From: Christer Watson <[email protected]> >> > > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> >> > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV >> > > Message-ID: >> > > <[email protected]> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > > >> > > Could someone explain to me why they might be doing this? They paid >> > > all this money for a fiber optic network. In what business model does >> > > it make sense to then not use it? Can they really stay in business >> > > selling DSL speeds?! >> > > >> > > btw, I live without cable and haven't had too many problems. The two >> > > biggest are: >> > > 1) some shows you have to resign yourself to watching a year late on >> > > DVD/Netflix (e.g. boardwalk empire, true blood, etc.) >> > > 2) some sports you just won't get (e.g. Monday Night Football,...) >> > > >> > > If those aren't deal-breakers, give it a try. >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > --Christer >> > > >> > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per >> > > > month? ?That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will >> > > > change for FIOS customers.... ?Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." >> ?(Maniacal >> > > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). >> > > > >> > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free >> > > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are >> > > > similar. >> > > > >> > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had >> > > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. ? The bad >> news >> > > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it >> > > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. >> > > > >> > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of >> FIOS >> > > > internet too. ?This means that FIOS internet may be next on the >> > chopping >> > > > block. >> > > > >> > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. >> > > > >> > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a >> less >> > > > than stellar HD signal? ?(Do you care?) >> > > > >> > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? >> > > > >> > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Fwlug mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> > > > >> > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please >> keep >> > > this in mind before posting. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Message: 3 >> > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:33:28 -0500 >> > > From: Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV >> > > Message-ID: <1295753608.5697.41.camel@joel> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> > > >> > > I think it's worse than that. >> > > >> > > My understanding was that the telco's had to provide competitor access >> > > on copper based service. Verizon secured regulation/approval to >> prevent >> > > FIOS from being a conduit for third party services. >> > > >> > > The second the copper is hooked back up, a person in Fort Wayne can >> hook >> > > up using this company: >> > > http://xymmetrix.com/services/internet_access.html >> > > >> > > And suddenly it makes no sense to keep Frontier. >> > > >> > > BTW, the letter said that TV rates were going up. They neglected to >> say >> > > it was staying the same for those on contract with triple play >> services. >> > > The Frontier rep apologized for the confusion on the phone today. So >> it >> > > turns out I'm good until 2012. >> > > >> > > On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 21:36 -0500, Christer Watson wrote: >> > > > Could someone explain to me why they might be doing this? They paid >> > > > all this money for a fiber optic network. In what business model does >> > > > it make sense to then not use it? Can they really stay in business >> > > > selling DSL speeds?! >> > > > >> > > > btw, I live without cable and haven't had too many problems. The two >> > > > biggest are: >> > > > 1) some shows you have to resign yourself to watching a year late on >> > > > DVD/Netflix (e.g. boardwalk empire, true blood, etc.) >> > > > 2) some sports you just won't get (e.g. Monday Night Football,...) >> > > > >> > > > If those aren't deal-breakers, give it a try. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > >> > > > --Christer >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 >> per >> > > > > month? That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will >> > > > > change for FIOS customers.... Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." >> > (Maniacal >> > > > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). >> > > > > >> > > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) >> Free >> > > > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are >> > > > > similar. >> > > > > >> > > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I >> had >> > > > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. The bad >> > news >> > > > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it >> > > > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. >> > > > > >> > > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of >> > FIOS >> > > > > internet too. This means that FIOS internet may be next on the >> > > chopping >> > > > > block. >> > > > > >> > > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. >> > > > > >> > > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a >> > less >> > > > > than stellar HD signal? (Do you care?) >> > > > > >> > > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? >> > > > > >> > > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely >> now? >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Fwlug mailing list >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> > > > > >> > > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please >> > keep >> > > this in mind before posting. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Fwlug mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> > > > >> > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. Please >> keep >> > > this in mind before posting. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Message: 4 >> > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:59:29 -0500 >> > > From: "Shirona A. Gunawardhana" <[email protected]> >> > > To: <[email protected]>, "'Fort Wayne Linux Users Group'" >> > > <[email protected]> >> > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV >> > > Message-ID: <000301cbbab1$ef1f6160$cd5e2420$@com> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > > >> > > Frontier cannot get the same volume discounts Verizon, Comcast, Dish, >> > > Direct, Cox gets from channel providers. Most channel providers >> increased >> > > their prices recently. FIOS TV is only 7% of their revenue in this >> > market. >> > > Frontier is going to lose $9 to $32 per every customer who has FIOS TV >> > and >> > > it will be very hard for them to explain this to their share holders. >> > > So cutting a deal with Direct TV and recommending (forcing) them to all >> > > current subscribers at worst will land them some profit. Remember IBM >> > > struggling with PC/laptop, x86 processors (AMD) and printer (Lexmark) >> > > business? IBM after letting go of these are doing much better as a >> > company. >> > > I use Comcast for internet and Dish for TV. I tried all 3 FIOS services >> > > when >> > > it first came out and their billing and customers service drove me >> > bonkers. >> > > Shirona >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [email protected] [mailto: >> > > [email protected]] >> > > On Behalf Of Christer Watson >> > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:37 PM >> > > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group >> > > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Frontier Ditching FIOS TV >> > > >> > > Could someone explain to me why they might be doing this? They paid >> > > all this money for a fiber optic network. In what business model does >> > > it make sense to then not use it? Can they really stay in business >> > > selling DSL speeds?! >> > > >> > > btw, I live without cable and haven't had too many problems. The two >> > > biggest are: >> > > 1) some shows you have to resign yourself to watching a year late on >> > > DVD/Netflix (e.g. boardwalk empire, true blood, etc.) >> > > 2) some sports you just won't get (e.g. Monday Night Football,...) >> > > >> > > If those aren't deal-breakers, give it a try. >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > --Christer >> > > >> > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Ludwick <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > > Did anyone else get the notice that Frontier TV was going up $30 per >> > > > month? ?That happened after they said last year: "Nothing will >> > > > change for FIOS customers.... ?Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha." >> ?(Maniacal >> > > > laughter added by me for dramatic effect). >> > > > >> > > > However, if you move to DirectTV you get 1) a Free 32" TV and 2) Free >> > > > DirecTV for the rest of the year. I'm sure the equipment fees are >> > > > similar. >> > > > >> > > > The good news is they basically broke the contractual agreement I had >> > > > with them, meaning I don't have to pay the ETF anymore. ? The bad >> news >> > > > is that this seems like a step backwards for Fort Wayne, since it >> > > > removes the highest quality delivery of service. >> > > > >> > > > My understanding is that they are going to push DSL (!) instead of >> FIOS >> > > > internet too. ?This means that FIOS internet may be next on the >> > chopping >> > > > block. >> > > > >> > > > A couple of questions for the LUG. >> > > > >> > > > Is Comcast still compressing the heck out of HD signals to give a >> less >> > > > than stellar HD signal? ?(Do you care?) >> > > > >> > > > How's DirectTV or Dish Satellite service for HD these days? >> > > > >> > > > And who has cut the cable and gone with hulu/netflix completely now? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Fwlug mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org >> > > > >> > > > This is a public list and all posts are archived publicly. 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