on 5/7/02 06:37, Keith Gregory at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> My maltreatment? I dont think so, thats a hell of an assumption. I am
> not blaming apple for something I might have done, I am blaming apple
> for not producing a system ready for sale yet. Check the discussion
> boards at apple, we cant all be idiots. OSX 1015 should be clearly
> labelled 'beta, use at your own risk'. Maybe jaguar will be the osx that
> this one isnt

Compared to OS 9 or Win ME/XP Home Edition (don't have XP Pro experience) OS
X is final, final, final software. I have seen two (out of three) Win XP
home edition machines come to a grinding halt within a month or two of
purchase, and require a full-scale re-install of the OS (different
manufacturers), and all of the OS 7/8/9 Win 95/95SE/98/98SE/ME/2000/XP Home
regularly require three finger salutes (2000 is pretty damn stable but I
still have to give it a three finger once/day of 8 h use) (vs. *zero*, count
'em, *zero* three finger salutes for OS X in over half a year (probably 100
days * 4 h/day on average).

For previous versions of Windows most machines I've seen and/or been
responsible for required a re-install of Windows at least once a year,
simply to clear out the bugs that had accumulated over the year (or that
caused the OS to come to a grinding halt). The same formula applies to OS
7/8/9 -- reinstall roughly once a year to clear out the bugs that accumulate
(&, if OS 7/8/9 ever came to a grinding halt, holding down the shift key at
boot would fix the problem and allow for back up (unlike two Win 98 systems
that I saw that took down *everything*).

> I have never had to reformat my windoze box after 3 years, in 12 years
> with apple I have only had to do it twice before. Once was down to
> nortons and the evil speed disk, the other was a one off. Ive only had
> osx installed a damn fortnight!

You've been *extremely* lucky in that case. In our department I regularly
see/use/help with ~10 Winblows (95, 98, ME, XP Pro, XP Home) boxes. 3 have
had to be re-installed in the last 3 months, and 3 are so far gone that I
don't even use them/help the owners -- they need a reformat (& I keep
telling them that when they come to me for help (if they can't be bothered
to fix their computer, I can't be bothered to help them), 2 are too new to
judge, and the other two are running Win 95 and Win 3.1.

95 has been installed on a PI/166 for *years* (4?) and it's *my* computer --
no one else touches it and all it runs (has ever run) is M$ Office 97 and
Internet Explorer 5.5. It runs just fine (not as stable as OS X (three
finger salute once/6 hours of use), but more stable than my OS 9 (I don't
just run M$ Office 2001 and IE 5.1 <evil grin> ;), and, regularly the PI/166
is *faster* at browsing the web than my G3/450 with 10x as much RAM and 8x
the video RAM (& the G3/450 is 3-4x faster in computing power). This speed
difference is noticeable even running something like Opera or iCab vs. IE
5.5 on Winblows (which doesn't really blow that much for web-browsing).

The other machine runs Windows 3.1 and only gets used for DOS-based e-mail
so it's not like it gets challenged.

So, the short of this is, unless you only run M$ software (and don't do much
install/uninstall), and, only run the bare-bones software at that (i.e. M$
Office and Explorer) you are extremely lucky to have had an install of
Winblows that didn't need a regular cleaning re-install.

Eric.


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