Just one more question. Have you tried putting the 2nd drive with the CD? Setting CD to slave and HD to master? Do you believe both ide ports only allow one drive? Is it possible to simply get a REV 2 rom on ebay and plug it in? It seems like the rom upgrade would be better than the PCI IDE controller. But I guess the controller is definitely easier to find.

On Mar 18, 2004, at 3:28 PM, Andrew wrote:

Yes, I've tried all combinations of memory and drives. It is booting now after waiting 30 minutes with the PRAM battery and AC out. I have removed the slave drive and switched the master to single, and now it boots reliably from HD or CD. Of course, I wanted to have a 2nd drive, and can't unless I get a PCI IDE controller.

Andrew

On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Larry Blodgett wrote:

Have your unplugged the ide connection on both hard drives and tried to startup with CD only? And at the same time reduced your memory modules a single known good one? The master slave issue is exactly what we are trying to confirm. At the same time we are addressing the memory issue.

On Mar 18, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Andrew wrote:

Tried all of that. I did take a look on LEM and found that the guy who sold me the machine lied, as my computer is a Rev 1 and not Rev 2 as advertised. I think I'm bumping into the famous Master and Slave issue on Rev 1 IDE.

Andrew

I am not sure if the B&W are different in operation from more standard G4's.

If you cannot boot a system disk from the cd you may have a hardware failure of some sort. Maybe that is what caused the crash in 9. Don't know for sure just thinking out loud. The best candidates are memory or processor (since, it doesn't even start looking for the drives). Probably not processor but you never know.

Try booting the cd using one memory module at a time.

Try holding down the option key at boot.

Try resetting pram, hold down (cmd opt p and r keys)

Unplug the machine , take out the battery for about 30 minutes.

You might try unplugging the IDE connections and start to see if the bus is being corrupted by one of the ide devices.

These are all things you might try
On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:12 AM, Andrew wrote:

They are on the stock IDE controller, not sure what else I can say. The OS X drive is master and the OS 9 drive is slave. The other IDE controller is handling the CD ROM.

Andrew

On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:58 AM, Larry Blodgett wrote:

Please tells us more about the configuration of the drives. How are the drives installed? On what ATA buses and how are they configured?

On Mar 17, 2004, at 10:58 PM, Andrew wrote:

I have a B&W G3 running Panther on one drive (40GB Western Digital Master) and OS 9 on another (20GB Western Digital Slave). I set the OS 9 drive as the startup drive, was working in OS 9 when it crashed. I had to reset the computer from the front panel button and now it tries to boot into OS 9 but won't get passed the mouse pointer appearing (no Mac OS face). I've tried holding down C to boot from a CD, and I've even tried unplugging the slave (OS 9) drive from the IDE cable, but all I get is a blank screen (I use an LCD which says "Cannot Display This Video Mode").

I need to get it to boot into OS X on my Master drive, but it won't respond.

Help!!!

Andrew


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