On Friday, July 09, 2004, at 12:39PM, Tim Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Well, this is a dual 1 gig G4 running 10.3.4.  Since I started using 
>Macs back in 2001, we've never had a virus or worm or phage or 
>eosinophil.

And your unlikely to as they are all Windows viruses (currently). That is not what you 
have to worry about. it's people sitting on the other side of the world throwing stuff 
at your Mac until they find a way in. Admittedly it's hard as OS X is UNIX based and 
thus hard to hack, buit it is still possible and if they 'root' you they can cause 
havoc, I've seen it happen on Linux boxen before now and it's a re-install job at the 
very least most of the time, and can also expose your personal data oir destroy your 
drives. Statistically it's unlikely but in reality I'd rather not be the '1' in the 
'1-in-however-many' statistic...

To be perfectly honest, I've never worried about that sort 
>of thing since switching.  AND, we do have the OS X firewalls running 
>on our Macs, except on hers, I had to open ports 7648-7652 and 24032 (I 
>did fail to mention that in my previous post).

You should be able to do this on your router, rather than running DMZ'd, though you 
will have to establish if these are TCP or UDP ports. You may also have to forward 
those ports to the machine in question's IP address, tho this is not always necessary 
for chat protocols.

>But even still, I refuse to adopt the PC-users paranoia regarding internet attacks.

It's not paranoia. There is a genuine threat. The fact you are using OS X's firewall 
means you are pretty much safe. However having the firewall on the machine that is 
'vulnerable' increases the risk slightly.

>And, since you seem to have a bit more knowledge on the subject, can 
>you offer a better solution?

My advice in this situation for anyone is errect the firewall as far away from your 
'vulnerable' computer(s) as possible. If you can keep it working on your router then 
do so (there should be no reason why you can't if it's a decent NAT-based router), 
otherwise buy an old PowerMac that will run Jaguar and stuff a second NIC in, run 
software to bridge the gap and firwall there instead (Brickwall is a very good package 
that uses all OS X's UNIX tools to best effect). I will admit I am used to securing 
networks so they are safe for Windows machines so I am slightly over-bearing when it 
comes to bolting stuff down, but better safe than sorry, as they say. My systems has a 
9600/G3/300 with OS X 10.3 on it doing the routing job and the router (crappy old 
PAT-based ISDN Router) points to that as a DMZ. It keeps the nasties off my Windows 
machine fine and also doubles as a nice place to stuff all my downloaded files and 
non-misson-critical stuff to keep it out of the way :)

-- 
Mark Benson

http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson

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