Thanks for the replies. I'm in digest mode on this list, so I just got
the answers now. In the meantime I opened up the beast and tried things
myself. I apologize for this very long post, but there is a lot of info
needed for people to be able to advise me. Please edit it in your
replies to save traffic on the list.
As mentioned in a reply the floppy connection is not suitable. It turns
out the new drive is an ATA, so I replaced the zip drive with it. There
are 5 bays as Chris mentions, In the main HD spot I have the original
ATA 6GB running, from top to bottom in the other bays I have the floppy,
CD ROM, new 4GB replacing the zip, and a 2GB SCSI using a longer cable I
stole from another machine.
I am ashamed to admit I just tried moving jumpers on the 4GB till it
would work properly, as I had no idea what to research on the net. I was
reasonably sure from SCSI chain days that I wouldn't do any permanent
harm if I had it in the wrong position.
Once I had everything working I reformatted the new drive with the OSX
drive utility, zeroing the data. I also installed the OS9 drivers in
this process. I copied all my data from the OS9 disk to this drive and
tested it as a boot drive. It worked perfectly so I took the opportunity
to reformat the 2GB scsi, then copied the OS9 files back. This took care
of fragmentation that had occurred over the years.
Now my original motivation for installing the new disk is that the 6GB
OS 10.2.8 disk had gotten overfilled and severely fragmented. I
installed the update to iTunes through software update a couple of weeks
ago and ended up losing the use of the OSX disk when it froze. (software
update didn't mention that it needed a faster processor than the 266
that was in the beige at the time)
I was able to get the drive working again with Norton from OS9, but lost
some files and some of the functionality of the OSX mail program.
Norton found numerous problems in the directory files and everything
else keeping track of where data was on the drive, so I think some
things overwrote other files. I've got this disk working well now, but
really think it needs to be reformatted and defragmented to operate
efficiently and avoid more directory problems.
I've torn the house apart and cannot find my OSX CD for 10.2, just the
one for 10.1.5, so I can't reinstall. I'd like to make a copy of the
data on the OSX 6GB disk so I can reformat this disk. Then copy the data
back in a more organized fashion. I've run disk utility on the OSX disk
to repair permissions and there are several files it seems unable to
repair. No matter how many times I run it some files for frameworks/hfs
and in the usr/ directory don't get corrected. The same errors show up
everytime. I can copy and paste the report later if requested.
I downloaded CCC 2.3 and tried to clone to a freshly zeroed 4GB hard
drive. I've trimmed down the data and copied some of my document and
music files to the OS9 disk, so the files I'm cloning will fit on the
4GB disk. I followed the advice on the CCC forum about preparations
before cloning, and other than the permissions errors above it should be
good to go.
I do the clone, run the "bless oldworld.." script, but I end up without
it working. I did not choose the option to make it a disk image when
cloning. If I boot from the clone, It says "can't open" over and over
until dropping into OS9. Once in OS9 the disk is not mounted, and none
of my disk utilities can tell it is connected to the computer. Once I
reboot into OSX from the source drive I can again see the clone disk.
The files listed in it include a couple of the files that should be
invisble, showing as folders with a small arrow in the bottom left
corner. These are: var tmp etc
These are normal folders in that I can open them and few the contents.
Does anyone that managed to wade through this post have any idea what I
need to change to get a bootable clone of this disk? I would think that
since it boots in OS9, it should be bootable in OSX but perhaps I'm
mistaken.
Thanks for any advice, and if you could please cc a copy directly to me
as well it would be appreciated.
TIA,
Andrew
From: "Chris Placzek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [G] Adding a HD to beige running OSX
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is the 4GB an ATA or SCSI drive? If its an ATA, you must have a rev c
rom to use 2 drives per bus (rev b may also work). There are jumpers
for master slave, not ID. The beige g3 does have a SCSI bus, and you
should be able to use up to 6 devices on it, each must have a unique ID.
Also, you should have more free bays. There should be no need to
remove the floppy drive. There are 5 bays in these, so floppy, 2 HDs,
and CD. Maybe you also have a zip drive but either way no need to
remove the floppy. And the floppy does use a different connection so
youd probably need a new cable.
If you have old parts at your disposal, you could put in a SCSI CD-ROM
and then you could use the stock cable and ROM. Note this is only a
problem if you have an older ROM and ATA cables with only 2 connectors
(1 motherboard and one drive), and the 4GB is not SCSI (which it
probably isnt).
Chris P
Andrew MacDougall wrote on 10/8/05, 3:28 PM:
> I've got a beige tower with two drives, the stock 6GB with OSX 10.2.8
> and all Apps and files related to OSX, and a SCSI 2GB with OS9.2.2 and
> associated files. It is used primarily in OSX.
>
> I have a 4GB drive from a beige desktop I'd like to add to free up space
> for OSX. I'm hoping I can just remove the floppy drive and use that bay
> and connection for the new drive. I may have to change the jumpers to
> give it a new ID.
>
> Assuming I'm ok that far, which of the following folders can I move to a
> separate drive without causing problems with OSX?
>
> - Applications
> - Library
> - System
> - Users (running multiple users on this unit)
>
> TIA for any advice,
> Andrew MacDougall
>
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