In a message Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<< 

Is there any way you can connect some sort of external (or internal) drive to 
the thing to copy those user folders over? (Good excuse to go out and get an 
external FW backup system or another internal drive)

A similar thing happened to me when I updated my G4 to Tiger, due to a flaky 
install drive. I eventually managed to copy all the stuff over from the 
Previous Users 1 folder to another drive, then reformatted and re-installed the 
OS 
with another DVD drive.

That worked.

The I recreated the users then moved the contents of their user directory 
from the backup to their new user folders, replacing everything when asked.

Then in Terminal (One of the absolutely best things Apple ever did was put a 
working copy of Terminal on the Tiger installer disk, because this saved my 
butt.) I did this:

cd /Users
sudo chown -R username UserFolder

where username is the short user name of the users you recreated, and 
UserFolder is their user folder name, generally it is the same as their short 
name. 
This sets the permissions of the home directory contents correctly.

This is probably why the system froze the first time. It's freezing now 
because files it's expecting to find aren't there.

In your case, once you back up the user directories, you'll need to create 
another
administrative user to do this, because you can't replace your own user 
directory:

Say the original system has the users Bob and Alice. If all you want are 
those two
users, back up, reformat and re-install the OS, then create Bob or Alice as 
the first
user (automatically an admin user.)

Create the other user, make them an admin user (this doesn't have to be 
permanent,
you can change this at will)

Log in as Bob, copy Alice's files over and do the chown command as above. Log 
out as Bob, log in as Alice, then copy Bob's files in and do the chown 
command.

You can do this in single-user mode as well, in which case you can do both at 
once,
but have to do everything at the command line.

>>
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Thanks Bruce, this is the info I need.

Yes, I can copy the user folders to a second volume of this drive or I can 
copy to another drive on the network or I can attach an external SCSI drive and 
copy to that. I may just try a network backup to DVD first.

Just to update -- I did another archive and install this morning and the 
computer seem to be working OK. Although I did get error messages during the 
10.3 
install and the 10.3.9 update.

Your suggestions on how to restore the old users makes sense to me; even with 
my very limited knowledge of UNIX. Don't really know what chown stands for 
but that is not necessary at this time. I will learn.

If I run into more problems I will repost. You got me pointed in the right 
direction. Thanks, --glen

PS. I'm on a roll this week. Turn signals on my pickup broke Wednesday, the 
vacuum cleaner broke Thursday, Friday I discovered 48 pages missing (the 
Trouble Shooting section) in David Pogue's "Mac OS X the Missing Manual" giving 
a 
whole new meaning to the title. The Blue & White broke Sunday and today the 
same 
pickup's distributor broke while driving home just about 200 yards/meters 
from my driveway and needed a tow.
---
Broken bottles, broken plates,
Broken switches, broken gates,
Broken dishes, broken parts,
Streets are filled with broken hearts.
Broken words never meant to be spoken,
Everything is broken. --Bob Dylan, from the song Everything is Broken

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