May I copy this text to the Psystar debate thread? I think it applies there as well.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Mel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The key is using what you need, not what others tell you that you should > want. That is what marketing people prefer you to believe and they have > lots of true believers who will march in lock step and almost stampede to > get the latest this or that while not realizing or if realizing, not caring > that they are on a tread mill which pace is dictated by others. Too many > people fall prey to the latest pied-piper and for those who castigate them > for using 'old' computers, just act like "The Virginian" and smile and stay > out of the way of any mob that delights in plunging off a cliff (I.E. buying > the latest equipment without need of same). When they ask you to join, > smile, point to the nearest cliff and wish them bon voyage. > > There is an old adage, a thought that is prudent to remember and to invoke > by deed, not not necessarily by word: > > "Your sense of offense does not establish my principles." > > > > --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Yersinia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Yersinia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: I Love This Group > To: "G-List" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 8:24 AM > > Simon writes, > > <I have been reading some posts over the past few weeks with amazement. I > thought I was a minority with my love of old Macs. > > By old Macs I mean pre-G3, G3 and early G4. > > Talks on PowerMac 7500s, Performas, Beige G3, B&W G3, tray loading iMacs > to name but a few. > > I belong to my local Mac group and they can be very snobby at times, even > my Intel iMac (the first model from Jan 06) is regarded as old by them. > > Then I go and ask a question about RAM problems in a Cube, display > problems with a PowerBook 1400cs, Clamshell iBook parts or help with an > LC2 and > the > sarcastic comments flourish. > > It is so nice to be amongst people who love older Macs as much as I do.> > > and Mel writes, > > <I too. > > Suppose that you lived less than two miles from the local shopping center > where you did grocery shopping. Suppose that the speed limit was 35 MPH > to and fro the shopping center.. Suppose you could obtain a model T Ford > that might need a minor repair once very five years, a repair that you > could make within several minutes and without tools. To continue the > metaphor ad absurdum: Suppose the model T was the size of a IIci; suppose > you had several spare IIci(s) bought for less than $20.00 each; suppose > you had enough of almost any spare you might need for another 30 years. > > Suppose someone offered you a Rolls Royce for less than $50,000 to be > used just for grocery shopping. What would you say in that event? > > My off-line machine serving my > various > needs has been a 25 MHz IIci since > 1989 wherein I still use WORD 4.0 and EXCEL 2.2. It is configured with 32 > MB memory with a 1.2 GB HD and is attached to an ancient Image Writer II > that works fine. It is my model T. > > My online machine is a 667 MHz G4 DA, it having replaced another work > horse 7300/180 two years ago (both bought for a song used and both with a > lot of spares). > > You are not alone.> > > ;-) Definitely not. > > I must say, I find this thread both interesting and surprising, because I > remember when, as it was only a couple of years ago, when my Main Macs > were my Beige G3 desktop (OS 9.2.2) and my Powerbook 5300c (OS 8.6) -- on > numerous occasions, I was being exhorted to upgrade to OS X by various > and sundry members of this list -- and I was, yes of course I admit it! > -- a vehement, stubborn-beyond-redemption "stick in the mud" OS 9 > diehard > who totally > refused (I wasn't > going anywhere near OS X with a Beige!), > and being told I was "living in the past." > > Well naturally, of course I appreciate it if and when people still love > older Macs -- and yes, even in spite of the aforementioned exhortations > to upgrade/being told I was living in the past, I love this group too (I > joined in 2003 IIRC, after having been on the PCI and Powerbooks lists: > I'm actually still on the Powerbooks list although I also joined the > G-Books and the Mac OS 9 lists) -- it's just that on that note, I'm a > bit > surprised to see this thread of praises for old Macs and the people who > love them! > > I've never belonged to a local Mac user group, only LEM lists (LOL, Mac > User Groups whose "meetings" I can "attend" at home!) so I > can't speak to > whether my local one(s) here have snobs for members, but I do remember > feeling, back then, that some of the exhortation from G-List > members to > "move up" > to OS X and/or a "newer" Mac sometimes came > across to me as on > the snobbish side and a little inconsiderate of the facts, which I'd > mentioned, that (a) I only rarely have money for "luxuries," (b) I > was > using my Macs solely for word processing, emailing, IRC/AIM chatting and > a little bit of web surfing -- all of which I was doing perfectly well > with my archaic Macs/OS's -- and (c) my left hand is partially > paralyzed/I've always been mechanically inept anyway so I can't modify > my > own Macs and if one needs to be fixed, have to wait till my BF (who lives > 300 miles away) can get down here to make the repairs (and install the > rare upgrades I slowly get around to needing and buying). > > OK, so two years ago I finally made it "up" to OS X (Tiger) and > "newer" > Macs (thanks to someone on this list who kindly GAVE me his "old" G4 > Quicksilver 867 for just the cost of shipping, > plus my Pack Rat of a BF > > who had a Farallon EtherMac printer adapter to spare so I'd still be able > to print without buying a new printer, and last summer I was actually > able to buy a G3/800 iBook from FleaBay so my main laptop could again > "mirror" my desktop). It also wasn't until June 2006 (eleven > years since > I bought my first Mac, a Performa 475) that I'd also finally started > doing something a little bit more computer intensive than JUST writing, > emailing, chatting and occasional web surfing -- gaming. So yeah, > finally, my beloved Beige was no longer quite enough, and after three > months of technical hell with my computer game, some of it directly > because of insufficient computer power (I was starting to look into the > possibility of a processor upgrade, both in terms of which chip to > buy/for how much and asking my BF about installing it once I bought it) > -- that's when the beautiful offer of a > G4 (with Tiger installed on > it) > for the price of shipping came up, so I did that instead! It was perfect! > Now, I'm still not podcasting, YouTubing, Photoshopping, video editing, > burning movies on DVDs, watching TV/listening to music online, running a > computerized MIDI recording studio or anything like that, and even my > gaming is really actually retro-gaming (I play The Sims -- the original > game, not Sims 2). So while the "Model T" no longer serves me, > neither do > I need a "Rolls Royce," or more accurately, I'd think, a > "race car." When > the Model T (or a "got-it-used-but-in-great-condition" Toyota > Corolla, > which I'll liken my "new" equipment to) will get you absolutely > everyplace you need to go and with a comfortable ride to boot, well, what > I've never understood is why anyone even wants the Rolls Royce (or race > car). > > My G4 and iBook are newer/faster than what I was using before, but > > they're still not brand new > state of the art either (and had already been > discontinued when I got them!) -- but they're perfect for me. In that > sense, I'm still on "older" Macs, and while I rarely boot in OS 9 > > anymore, I do still require Classic Mode (my emailer, my word processor, > and my crucial Sims skins fixing and test apps won't run without it). If > someday I ever get tired of what I'm doing with my Macs now and decide to > get into serious high-power activities for which I actually NEED a "race > car," Leopard and MacIntels would at least make sense for me, but even > then I'd STILL be "on the trailing edge," with what would be, by > that > time, an "old" MacIntel I'll probably buy used on the Swap List > or > Fleabay, because I was never able to afford to keep pace with Apple's > cutting edge anyway. > > So for me, a place where people use and love "older Macs" will always > be > a place I > > love. > > ~Yersinia. > > ________ > > "It doesn't take all kinds; we just have all kinds." > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. 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