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Subject: Sawtooth replacement
Date:    Sonntag 15 August 2010N
From:    D Stubbs <[email protected]>
To:      [email protected]

> I reckon its time to move on from my faithful old tower, but being a
> nongeek I really could use an opinion or two on what to move up to - my
> two main reasons to go to a later model is that YouTube videos are rarely
> functional, and the 128 max on internal HD is a bit confining. Otherwise
> it handles all the work I throw at it fine.

Maybe you just need a better graphics card. But I also suspect the CPU is way 
too slow.

>       My parameters:
>  Keeping Classic for 2 old apps I run would be important.
>  HD capacity over 300G
>  Ideally under $350.
>  Better video ability
> 
> Otherwise I don't even know if I need to leave the G4 family.
> Thanks for any suggestions! Del

You cannot, since you need Classic. That is, if you want to be able to 
natively boot Mac OS 9.x you need a G4 that is not as new as a FW800 model. 
Also, models after the Quicksilver (original, 2001) need a special Mac OS 9 
version to work, so I'd use a QS as the newest option.

If, on the other hand, you only require Classic from Mac OS 10.x up to 10.4, 
you can also go for a G5. They are beautiful towers, great design from the 
inside and from the outside, only they seem to be less reliable than the G4s.

The most modern one is the “Late 2005” G5 series with one Dual-Core 2.0 GHz, 
one Dual-Core 2.3 GHz or the top of the line two Dual-Core 2.5 GHz “Quad”. I'd 
suggest staying away from liquid cooled G5s though, so the DC2.3 would be 
highest I'd go for a G5 with modern the PCIe bus for expansion cards and 
faster DDR2 memory.

Note: G5s up to the “Early 2005” use the “classic” AGP and PCI/PCI-X bus for 
graphics card and expansion cards and feature “only” DDR memory like the late 
G4s do. But watch out, there are also liquid cooled models among them.

> G4 AGP
> 500 MHz
> 1.25 RAM
> 10.4.11
> ATY,Rage128Pro

That's nice. Among others, I have a
G4 APG
400 MHz --> Dual-450 MHz
786 MB RAM
9.0.4, 9.2.2, 10.2.8, 10.3.9, 10.4.11, 10.5.8, Gentoo Linux
ATY,Rage128Pro --> NVDA,GeForce3 Ti200 (PC-Version, flashed)

You see, I upgraded it a little, and I can say that with the nVidia GeForce 3 
graphics card Leopard works very well on my old G4. The Dual-450 MHz CPU is 
very much pushed to the limit though, so I'd say that this system is really 
used heavily for even simple tasks. But that's what it was build for, right?

I use it only for surfing a little and mostly for watching DivX encoded videos 
in standard DVD resolution. That works very well, but it definitely cannot 
handle high-definition stuff. And yes, it is using almost 100% of it's CPU 
capacity to decode even the standard resolution videos, but then it does this 
without framedrops or flicker. So it is well suited for my needs.


For you still wanting Classic support, one other solution comes to my mind:
You could still walk on and get yourself a cheap new or used Intel-based Mac 
and then use SheepShaver as a software solution to run your Classic Mac OS 
inside the emulation. I did this with Mac OS 7.5 and 9.0.4 and it works, 
depending on what peripherial stuff you need. Normal applications run fine, 
but if you need a driver that runs a scanner in SCSI mode or so, I doupt that 
SheepShaver can do that.
Since SheepShaver also works on PowerPC-based Macs, you can try this sollution 
before you decide anything. Given the huge performance increase of recent 
Intel Macs, you can safely go for a low-end model and still have very much 
inprovement in speed compared to your G4.


BTW, I don't have an Intel Mac. Only used G3, G4s and G5.

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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