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Subject: Re: Upgrade to what
Date: Saturday, 08. June 2013
From: Bruce Johnson <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
> On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
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> > Subject: Re: Upgrade to what
> > Date: Saturday, 08. June 2013
> > From: Bruce Ryan <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> >
> >> Other thought - a modern mac will have the best hardware guarantees, and
> >> it is possible (though maybe not strictly legal) to make Leopard
> >> virtual machines under VirtualBox, running on MountainLion. So you'd
> >> have the OS you're used to, running at the speed of an up-to-date bit
> >> of hardware. And you'd have the opportunity to buy modern versions of
> >> your software as and when you want or can afford to.
> >
> > Actually it is legal. It is legal to run Mac OS X under a real Mac,
> > provided you acquired a license to do so. This means that you have to
> > buy Snow Leopard in addition to the Mac that comes with e.g. Lion or
> > Montain Lion.
>
> Strictly speaking it is only legal for 10.6 server, or 10.7 and 10.8, per
> Apple's user license agreements.
First, Apple's license is not in itself 100% legal. They cannot forbid
something that is your right by the law. (Actually they can, but then it isn't
something to abide).
Second, the license for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard clearly states, that it can
only be installed on a Mac.
So, if you install Snow Leopard in VirtualBox on a Mac, you hereby follow the
license. You are however restricted to installing each license only once, i.e.
you cannot run Snow Leopard in VirtualBox while running VirtualBox on the same
license Snow Leopard itself. That would be illegal.
However, if you have a familiy license (up to 5 Macs in a household) you could
even do that.
> Practically, so long as you you don't enter into business as a Mac "clone"
> dealer, Apple doesn't really seem to care; they've taken no action as far
> as I can tell against any site offering instructions or software to do
> this unless they're distributing modified copies of OSX, which really
> isn't necessary any more, and hasn't been for some time.
I think what you are referring to is running Mac OS X virtualized inside a VM
(like Parallels, Vmware, Virtual PC or VirtualBox) on anything other than a
Mac.
That's clearly forbidden by the license. Since 10.7 it is also illegal in
Europe… the EULA /used/ /to/ /be/ invalid in this regard, so a customer who
bought Mac OS X in the store until 10.6 was legal to install it on any
computer no matter what. A "hackintosh" with 10.4/10.5/10.6 may therefor be
completely legal in Europe, provided the retail OS was bought.
Since 10.7 OS X can only be downloaded, a customer has to agree to the license
BEFORE buying – hereby making this part ("only on a Mac") valid even in
Europe.
> See this for example <http://www.kakewalk.se/>
I didn't look at it yet.
> They even tell you exactly what to buy to maximize ease of installation;
> but note, they're not selling anything, nor are they pointing to downloads
> of OSX. I expect the owner of the site is getting a fair bit of kickback
> from the Amazon links.
I think that's always legal. How to do something that isn't exactly wanted by
the company who sell it without providing the means – also called "hacks" –
cannot be illegal. I would call it "good journalism"…
Cheers,
Andreas aka Mac User #330250
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