Feature Requests item #1686444, was opened at 2007-03-22 20:13 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by thekingant You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350235&aid=1686444&group_id=235
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Category: jabber Group: None >Status: Closed >Resolution: Duplicate Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Assigned to: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Summary: MeeboMe Widget Support Initial Comment: Meebo use the Jabber protocol it is possibile to use Meebo with gaim what it's not possible is to use it with MeeboMe Widget this widget is a peace of embedded Flash player that you can add in your blog or in your web site who enter your site can chat with you without knowing your credential! can choose a nick name and see your online status with game you get a request of authorization every times somebody refresh or change position in your web page plus the nick name choose by the guest user is not taken.. this mean that when the page get reloaded the user name change too.. and you didn't know who are you talking with if you log into the meebo web site all work good.. there's no chat client around, but the meebo web page, capable of doing this thanks this is the web page: www.meebo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-04-23 01:46 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO Duplicate of feature request #1580028 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-28 12:19 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES i see, no problem :) since this is not closed will be implemented some day, this is enough :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-03-28 12:06 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO Er, I dunno, it's not really a priority for me... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-28 11:56 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES i don't want to put you in a hurry, this is only a question :) do you know how much time this feature will take to be implemented? i mean.. more or less :) i'm just curious ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-03-28 11:23 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO Interesting. Yeah, you have to sign up for it. Well, more accurately it only works with your @meebo.org Jabber account, and only when you create a widget and embed it somewhere on your web page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nathan Walp (faceprint) Date: 2007-03-28 08:40 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=17471 Originator: NO I haven't looked at MeeboMe in great detail, but I imagine you have to sign up for it somewhere, and there's some place you can turn it off. If all of the above is true, then I see no reason not to auto-authorize, as the authorization is just an implementation detail. If your web client auto-authorizes the meebome widgets, I see no reason for it not to happen on the server, so any Jabber client can be used w/o modification. BTW, the site linked here to DLLs that auto-authorize doesn't have any source posted for the DLLs. Someone should ask nicely. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Peter Lawler (bleeter) Date: 2007-03-28 02:36 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=407708 Originator: NO my 3c (inflation, y'all understand). Following from the stance that one should never fully rely on any protcol's servers to be totally safe with regards to privacy, it should be a client side preference whether the client can trust server auto-authentication (the default should be to not trust the server). E.g., I've logged in to do some work, I don't want to be spammed with messages from people commenting on my blog, so I disable it. I get home from work, and enable it while casually browsing the 'net. The problem, as I see it, is that there's no interaction between the client and the servers whereby the user gets to decide whether they want auto-authentication on (or for that matter, one could consider any 'advanced' server side privacy). Nor does the server get to explain why such a feature might be useful to the user. Gah, I really need to mess with the jabber spec some day. I might be able to speak without my donkey being involved. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-03-28 01:31 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO faceprint: How do you feel about a server auto-authorizing people in your roster like that? The meebe crew have mixed feelings... Some of us feel like a Jabber server should never authorize people automatically. Others of us feel like the server should auto-authorize the people who contact you via the flash widget. GTalk basically does the same thing, right? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nathan Walp (faceprint) Date: 2007-03-27 21:11 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=17471 Originator: NO It is a shame that meebo's server doesn't handle the auto-authorization for us. Then the plugin wouldn't be necessary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-03-23 15:19 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO meebo's implementation of XEP-0172 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-23 14:17 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES you did "it" what? meebo? XEP-0172 specification? :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-03-23 14:09 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO I found that that meebo is using XEP-0172 because I'm the one who did it :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-23 13:39 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES that's a wonderful news! the plugin it's perfect i think :) how you found out that meebo is using XEP-0172 specification? anyway.. since this is a Jabber Specification it will be implemented :) very good! thank you for listening me.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-03-23 11:25 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO For the nickname meebo is using parts of XEP-0172, the user nickname spec. Specifically the non-pubsub method given in example 18. We should add support for that in Gaim, since the spec is a draft now, and it's pretty awesome. It probably makes sense to do the auto-authorize stuff in a plugin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-23 04:36 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES yes thekingant and would be wonderful if you found some way to bring the nickname instead of the random guest nick too ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Doliner (thekingant) Date: 2007-03-23 01:37 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=20979 Originator: NO You guys are basically right. Each time someone loads a widget they're logged in with a new, random, guest Jabber account. This new account adds your @meebo.org account to its roster. So Gaim would need to auto-approve all authorization requests coming from guest#.meebo.org. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-22 21:24 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES hum... how is the Tools menu -> Privacy supposed to behave? cause when i select "allow all to contact me" still it ask for authorization if i choose: allow only guys on my contact list... it still ask for authorization may be this setting doesn't work with jabber protocol? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-22 21:16 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES just a thing.. the wildcard would be useful like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-22 21:14 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES i've done what you ask... it still ask for authorization this are some of the random nick name i get: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] as bleeter sugger the wildcard are a good way of resolve the problem of the authorization but i have no idea on how the "nickname" work, sorry... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-22 21:08 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES sorry may be my english it's not very good i try to do what you say and come back with the result... anyway there is still the problem of the multiple random nick name that change every times the widget get reloaded [EMAIL PROTECTED] like this one.. i think the meebo widget create some random guest account every times the widget get loaded.. and then use some strange behavior to assign those different random nick to the choosen-by-user nick name.. in gaim we have multiple chat opening.. and you can't know if you are talking with the same person as before and so on... i came back in a few minutes with the reply to your question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Peter Lawler (bleeter) Date: 2007-03-22 21:06 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=407708 Originator: NO >From what I understand, the privacy suggestion made by rlaager is about the only option at this point in time. A better option would be an enchanced privacy API, which would allow wildcards of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, this is completely thought of without testing. Anyways, as such, I suspect this will be a duplicate of any 'RFE: Privacy' request. I suspect what's happening is that the jabber details for IM are seperate from meebo's blog section and that any meebo member can comment on a blog, but the "standard" buddy rules apply to the gaim client. Thus, gaim is hit by authorisation requests from this 'anonymous but trusted' source every time a web-authenticated meebo user refreshes a page. Of course, this is pure guesswork. I'm sure Mark can enlighten us all :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Richard Laager (rlaager) Date: 2007-03-22 20:52 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=156487 Originator: NO Okay, I think I understand it now... The problem is that you get a million authentication requests, right? What happens if you go to the Tools menu, then to Privacy, then you select your meebo.org account there, choose "Allow all users to contact me", and then click OK? Does that stop the authentication requests? Mark, can you shed any light on what's happening here (from Gaim's point of view, not Meebo's of course)? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-22 20:43 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES this is an example of the generated from widget nickname: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and change everytimes the user reload the widget i found it around the web ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniele (mastro-daniele) Date: 2007-03-22 20:41 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1590702 Originator: YES why invalide? it's a feature request! watch here: http://blog.loudervoice.com/2007/02/27/meebome-widget-gaim-killer-app/ and here http://www.tc.umn.edu/~beckvall/dan/MyFiles/MyFilesPage.html if someone take care of this for windows this mean there are people like me that want this feature if you don't know what i'm talking about go to the meebo site and try.. create an embedded meebo and use it with the meebo web page then try with gaim.. would like to see a better reason to have this as "invalid" not: "i don't understand how this has anything to do with Gaim" this has obviously something that would be useful with Gaim i reopen it.. i hope you think again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Richard Laager (rlaager) Date: 2007-03-22 20:24 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=156487 Originator: NO I don't understand how what you're talking about has anything to do with Gaim... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350235&aid=1686444&group_id=235 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. 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