o didn't know that. 

On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote:

> And, as far as I know, they are no longer in existance.
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Brandon Misch <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> well, bavisoft would have to be put into that category of not coming through 
>> with its customers. Sure,, not with keys but with whole orders as the older 
>> members on this list knows. 
>> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I doubt that it will come to that point, but every one that quits producing 
>>> is a loss to all of us, and if it is due to a few impatient and childish 
>>> gamers, it makes me furious!
>>> 
>>> It is ture, though, that it should not take months to get a registration 
>>> key after you have paid for one.  Then again, in comparison to the number 
>>> of good experiences, how often does this unfortunate mishap happen?  And, 
>>> has the developer never come through with the paid for key or keys?
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2013, at 7:35 PM, "Bryan Peterson" <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no way obligated to discuss 
>>>> their personal lives on list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right 
>>>> to constantly harp on what few developers we have. People keep that sort 
>>>> of behavior up and the day won't be long in coming when we'll have no 
>>>> developers at all.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
>>>> Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: MamaPeach
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:30 PM
>>>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
>>>> 
>>>> You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, Walmart.com,
>>>> etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within 
>>>> a
>>>> reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months before
>>>> inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be willing
>>>> to spend their money on something and then wait for an unspecified amount 
>>>> of
>>>> time to receive their purchased item and not get upset over not getting 
>>>> what
>>>> was paid for. I don't see that it should be any different for developer's 
>>>> of
>>>> games. People buy their products expecting to receive what they order, and
>>>> when it never arrives, they aren't supposed to worry about where it is or
>>>> why they haven't received it, and although they have written asking about
>>>> why they haven't gotten it, they receive no response for the person they
>>>> bought the item from?  This just doesn't make sense to me and it isn't good
>>>> business practice, in my opinion. It makes me worry that if I choose to
>>>> purchase a game, that the developer's do not care whether we ever get what
>>>> we pay for. Six months? I know I would not appreciate waiting six months 
>>>> for
>>>> something I spent money on. Patience is one thing, but come on, no one
>>>> should have to wait that long when it is their money they are spending.
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Bartlett
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:02 PM
>>>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't
>>>> care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact 
>>>> all
>>>> the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all
>>>> the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work.
>>>> 
>>>> bfn
>>>> James
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM
>>>> To: "audyssey gamers list" <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
>>>> 
>>>>> A thought on impatience:  Some people gripe about the length of time 
>>>>> taken by developers to come out with a new game.  Some people gripe if 
>>>>> they don't get a registration key right away.  Some people gripe about 
>>>>> the fact that they don't have enough games to play.  Strangely enough, 
>>>>> these 3 complaints come from pretty much the same few people.  These are 
>>>>> also the same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a 
>>>>> new game.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers 
>>>>> really get on a roll?
>>>>> 
>>>>> James North produced many very good games and then quit.  Why did this 
>>>>> occur??  Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly 
>>>>> voiced a consideration of quitting.  Why?  Other producers of games have 
>>>>> also vacated the premises.  Guess why?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for 
>>>>> those of us who do care about and respect them.  For those of us who 
>>>>> don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they 
>>>>> want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you 
>>>>> cause?  It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than 
>>>>> you for a change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be.  Although 
>>>>> I don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns 
>>>>> me up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright 
>>>>> childish behavior!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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