hi, i'll answer the questions under each question. > 1. How long do you think it'll last? about 4 or 5 years, my previous toshiba lasted that long, and only died cause the person i gave it too managed to kill the system somehow. lol. otherwise it would still be with me. > > 2. How much do you think you'll get when you try to flog that when bits of > it stop working or when you need something faster? i don't flog computers. i use them till they drop. i rarely ever sell a computer on, less somebody really needs it. and what's more, is that this is toshiba. every toshiba i have sunk money into, has lasted longer then useless acers and such computers. > > 3. How good is it to handle in daily use? it is more then amazing. it's light, although obviously for it's power, it's not an ultrabook, it's not too bad on weight. generates little heat, and has a huge fan port that can spin up and cool the system quite well if it gets a little warm during some heavy work. and is mind blowingly fast. > > 4. How much do you enjoy using it? a lot. it's an awesome system. i sometimes run osX in a vm, as well as having multiple things open in windows, including skype, chicken nugget, firefox, winamp, and so on. and it handles things perfectly! it's amazingly fast. if i go to most other computers now, they feel slow. lol. > > 5. How much time do you spend managing it? very little. no more then you would with a mac. > > 6. How much money have you spent on necessary extras, like antivirus > software and an Office suite? necessary? ... nothing. as windows 8 has it's own virus and malware scanner, that works very well. and i don't use office, so i don't buy it. i use either jarte for a word processor, or notepad if just quickly having to mess with a txt file opened from explorer. > > 7. How do you think the vendor provides support for it? quite well, though not as well as apple of course. the apple phone support is, generally, though not always, better. but toshiba are farely good. they were able to solve my questions i had for me quite well and quickly. and without charging me for asking the questions, as apple will do if you do not have apple care for your product, which is yet more of a cost on top of an apple device.
> > 8. How much crap did you have to remove from it? > little. it came with all the toshiba tools, and little else. i got rid of the > few things that needed to go, but i think there were only 2 things i had to > get rid of this time. > 9. How upgradable is it, both hardware and software wise? software wise, i've already upgraded it to windows 8.1, very quickly and easy. hardware wise, i can upgrade the ram or hard drive, and probably the opticle drive if i really wanted to. not sure how much more is upgradeable. haven't really bothered to check. i thought i was going to upgrade it, but as fast as it is, i haven't really wanted to yet. though i will at some point put in an SSD. this of course, is far more then you can upgrade current model macbooks. which you can't upgrade much at all, excepting the software. with good reason, mind you. having gone super thin, they have moved to using bare componants, rather then full ones. for example. the SSD's they are using, are circuits, mounted directly to the main board. > > 10. How do you restore it to clean factory condition? with windows 8 reset feature. don't get me wrong. i'm not saying mac's are a bad thing. they aren't. for what you pay, you get something that is very light, fantastic battery life, and can still run windows. they have pritty good support from apple, but only if you pay for it. and i may yet buy one. probably in a couple of years, if they upgrade them a bit more in the mean time. the upgradeability is ultimately the problem with a mac. most of them, you can't upgrade at all. once you buy it with x y z configuration, that's it. your stuck with it. but that is less and less of a problem these days. most people are happy with what they get in a system. but, we'll see. i have the iPad mini now, and i think that will probably be enough of a buy from apple for at least the next year or two. lol. except perhaps the next iPhone. which will have been a generation jump for me, as i have the iPhone 5. thing is though, if i do buy a mac, i'll still have to buy windows for it. unless i just run windows on one machine, and leave the mac as osx only. but that seems a little of a pointless buy then. if this machine is still going, which it should be, i'm not sure there's any point to buying another machine. still, one options i've considdered, is a mac mini. though upgrading the hdd in those is a pain. you have to strip out almost every part inside it, to get to the hard drives. compair that to upgrading the ram, which is right on top when you open it up. hahaha. anoying, apple? and the other point is that it hasn't got a battery. lol. i've grown used to computers not dieing if i have to unplug for a while, such as during a storm, or if the power gos out, which it does a lot here during big storms and cyclones. it would be better, if apple provided osx at a cost, but aloud it to be used on any system. i have a few computers here i could quite happelly devote over to running osx. but i can't, or not very easy. it can be done, but it's messy, and not particularly stable. but oh well. regards: Dallas On 15/12/2013, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote: > Apologies. I simply have to take this bate. :) > > On 14 Dec 2013, at 14:06, Dallas O'Brien <dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> hi. erm, actually, premium hardware? really? .... lol. they give you a >> machine that has a dual core, at double the price of a quad core >> windows computer. lol. just look at my Toshiba machine I have here. >> quad core core i7, 2.4 GHZ, up to 3.4 GHZ turbo boost. 8 GB ram, and a >> 1 TB HDD with I think 8 or 16 GB SSD cashing. blue ray drive, TV tuner >> card, 4 USB3 ports, HDMI port, audio jacks, and a set of speakers that >> shame apple's speakers on almost all but an iMac. and it's still a >> laptop. rofl. to get anything even approaching this level, in a mac, >> would be around the 2500 to 3000 mark. how much did I pay for this, >> running windows 8? .... 1000 bucks. Australian. > > Ooh! Very nice! > > And now, for the difficult questions: > > 1. How long do you think it'll last? > > 2. How much do you think you'll get when you try to flog that when bits of > it stop working or when you need something faster? > > 3. How good is it to handle in daily use? > > 4. How much do you enjoy using it? > > 5. How much time do you spend managing it? > > 6. How much money have you spent on necessary extras, like antivirus > software and an Office suite? > > 7. How do you think the vendor provides support for it? > > 8. How much crap did you have to remove from it? > > 9. How upgradable is it, both hardware and software wise? > > 10. How do you restore it to clean factory condition? > > As well, I'm sure, as many more. > > I know the situation is not kosher in Australia at the moment, though this > applies to most of the tech sector, who charge whatever they can get away > with (I'm in London). However, it is simply a myth that Apple overcharge. > Apple has a good supply chain arrangement, which means that yes, you often > get less for more. In theory, they could charge less. But Apple makes > healthy profits on their computers instead, and still manages to remain > competitive with equivalently high-end machines from their rivals. How do > you think they do that? > > Simple: they please their customers. Really. It works. > > Mac isn't for everyone, and I realise that Mac fanboys and Windoze users > aren't always the best of friends, but you should use the platform that's > best suited for you. If cost is a deciding factor, then you'll have to turn > the Mac down. That doesn't make it a bad platform, it just means you're > operating within your budget. Perhaps when you can afford a Mac, you'll > reconsider. Likewise, when Windows or Linux provides obvious advantages, > like running on commodity hardware of your own choosing and specifications, > those are the clear choices. > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. 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