Hi Tom.

I wasn't actually thinking of developers making specifically designed educational games to teach something (although it's obviously good when that happens as with the Looktell voiceover tutorial), just of presenting some of the games we already have as education exercises in pointing out what can be learnt from them.

For example, many of the space invaders style audio titles encourage sound memorization and identification, several first person games like shades of doom require the player to learn techniques for navigating space from only audio information, while more recently on the Iphone we're seeing games like audio defense zombie arena that actually require movement in space. And that is not to speak of games that require use of a screen reader's standard functions. As I said, I learnt far more about how to use the internet and all of Supernova's navigation functions through playing online games than I ever did through direct teaching or through trying to use it for work, same goes for Vo on the Iphone.

I think that would be a good way to present games to organizations, if their motivation is based on work and efficiency, particularly sinse these days sighted kids will be using the internet, social media and games on computers and learning far more than just what they're taught in Information technology classes in school.

As to the stigma of gamers, I'd be interested to see that discussion, sinse while like a lot of group sterriotypes I suspect it's a bit more pronounced in the states than in the Uk the "gamer = lazy social outcast" belief certainly exists over hear as well and I agree is entirely irrational compared to other interests, ---- then again collective assumptions are rarely rational anyway, (if it were rational I wouldn't refer to it as the collective).

In the mainstream world at least this idea of games as toys and gamers as over grown kids is falling off I think, particularly as the gamer generation grows up, although as usual I suspect this is where blindness organizations might be behind the times.

Still all the more reason to think of having some sort of word out there.

All the best,

Dark.

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