I wasn't talking about moving around in nethack, I have been playing
nethack since roughly 1988, I was talking about the screen readers and
their vicious habbit of going back to the start of the line when you go
to the next line. In dos, I could just go into review mode, press the
down arrow, and the cursor would stay where it was, so I'd know what was
to the south of my player, or the north. the screen readers these days
go to the start of the line, instead of staying where you are, so
checking to see what's around you is problematic. Unless you want to
count spaces, or something similar, it's not easy to find out what is
all around you on all eight compass points. I haven't had this problem
with my raspberry pi, and it's pispeak, but mac and windows screen
readers both like to move to the start of the line when I move up/down,
making games like nethack and empire difficult to play in a reasonable
amount of time.
On 11/9/2016 2:41 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
To move vertically in nethack k moves one row up and j moves one row
down. Nethack usually has one accessibility configuration file in its
distributions and that can start a good .nethackrc file. So long as
two human or near human characters aren't on a level a search for the
@ character will find where you are at. I usually get screen
coordinates from the screen reader for special places on any level and
store those coordinates and location description in an orgmode
database as I play the game. I think once nethack is installed on a
machine searching for nhaccess will find you the accessibility
defaults file and that can be done with the locate command in linux
easily enough.
On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, Travis Siegel wrote:
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:27:57
From: Travis Siegel <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]>
To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] nethack useful command
Wow, I've been playing nethack for years and years, and didn't know
about the underscore key. Heh. I've never won a game either, but I
had much better luck playing nethack on dos than any other operating
system, because of the way cursor tracking and movement is done. I
can still play it on linux/bsd/osx, but it's much more of a pain,
since (as far as I know) it's not possible to move up/down in those
screen readers and stay at the same columnof the screen. Empire is
another game similar to nethack in it's movement, that uses symbols
to show various game pieces and terrain features, and although I have
managed to win that one here and there, it's made harder by the need
to determine capital vs. lower case characters, which in itself isn't
difficult, but after a while, you assume you know the screen layout,
and then the computer sneaks in under your nose, because you didn't
check that troop transport, and later discover it belonged to the
computer instead of to you. :)
I've actually considered making an audio game out of empire, it might
be difficult to manage, but I think if it were done, it would make
tracking enemy pieces much easier.
On 11/4/2016 7:34 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
rogue; hack, and nethack are a family of top view video games
written for computers during the 1980's and 1990's and updated since
then. In nethack, the underscore key command is useful since on any
level where you have identified a location like an altar stairs or
fountain you can use the underscore or underline key command to
return to those locations by keying in the symbol to move to once
the underscore key is hit. If monsters are blocking you, you'll
have to fight those then repeat the underscore command from your new
position to get to the original desired location. I've been playing
nethack since the 1990's and haven't won any of those games yet so
it is not a trivial game. What usually kills me off is mass attacks
anymore. I can usually get to experience level 7 before that
happens these days though and the experience level is improving at
least. Experience levels in nethack run from 0 to 30. Level 1
requires 16 monsters to be killed and each level after that doubles
the amount of monsters to be killed. I found nethack accessible on
dos computers and on unix/linux boxes playing within terminals since
I learned how to interpret the symbols andI have the ascii symbols
enabled when I play since the tiles don't do a thing for the screen
readers I use. Since I retired, I abandoned windows since I found I
couldn't do a bare metal install of it and I found it to be too
unstable for my uses when I was working.
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