Agreed we're getting off topic a bit- but it seems I've caused a bit of confusion, and I'd like to try to clear it up if possible. I'm fully aware of how useful and popular linux/unix is, especially in server environments, and use terminals on a regular basis. My example of commands was poorly chosen - I was trying to come up with something that was simple and would make sense, so thanks for clarifying that one. However, when I said dos/terminals are complicated, I wasn't talking about computer experts or admins. I was talking about the everyday users - even many of those who are computer literate - who have told me straight up they've never heard of a command line, or don't know how it works, or know it exists but have never used it in their lives (some of these have been programmers, btw),. These are the vast majority of computer users, and for them, there is nothing better than a gui, because it allows them to do what they want/need to without having to learn command syntax. That's why I was saying dos is outdated - not because it really is useless, but because the original post placed it as a system usable by the general public, which it is not. I certainly didn't mean to cause any offense, and apologize if I have.
Best, John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsie...@nfbcal.org> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 11:33 To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Subject: [Audyssey] dos and memory usage (was Running DOS games on windows 10?) This is just plain wrong. Dos was not overly complicated, unix still exists, and it is very similar to dos. The only thing dos didn't do was multitask (though later versions of dos and 3rd party utilities did solve this problem to some degree), the fact that you didn't understand it doesn't make it complicated, confusing and useless. Unix is still in very wide use today, and yes, even unix has gui interfaces, but ask any decent system admin, and they'll tell you that if you need something done quickly, and accurately, there's no substitute for a straight up command line, since you can accomplish with a single command what might take several clicks with a mouse, and (in rare cases) can't be done at all using the gui. Nothing wrong with dos, unix, or any other type of operating sytem, each person uses what works for them, and that's just fine, that's the whole point of choice afterall. In your example, the reason your cd command din't change you to another drive, is because changing drives is a simple as typing in the new drive letter. You want drive d or drive e, just type d: or e:. That's all there is to it. But, in any case, this is way off topic for the list, so let's try to limit discussions on this. The fact that you can still play dos games whether it be with emulators, or by converting them to windows programs by recompiling/rewriting them in modern languages/compilers shouldn't be too far off topic though. I'd be more than willing to assist anyone wishing to port dos games to windows if they have source code for said games. It's often not a straightforward port, but it's also usually not all that difficult either, just a matter of recoding to take advantage of event driven instead of command driven interfaces. I'm perfectly to help anyone needing/wanting help porting programs to windows, linux, mac, or any other os I can get my hands on if I can make it talk. It's extremely rewarding to see a program be revived from ashes, and see it running on modern operating systems, not to mention it allows many others to enjoy that program who might otherwise not have had the chance. On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, john wrote: > Josh, > That's because dos commands are complicated, confusing, and involve far more > detail than 90% of computer users ever want to deal > with. > Consider the following basic example: > c:\users\john> cd e: > c:\users\john> > > Change directory to e:? Why am I still in my home directory? > Its because cd is complicated and painful, and requires you to specify that > you want to change drives, and if you don't, it won't > tell you something went wrong. > > It is generally a good thing that commandlines are shifting to only be used > in rare circumstances, because without this change, > computers would never have grown to be what they are today. > > Also remember that most people don't know how to use dos because, quite > simply, its immensely limited. > Dos may have been great in its heyday, but that time is long past. 640kb of > memory can't even run hellow world now. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Joshua Kennedy" <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 8:48 > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Running DOS games on windows 10? > > it amaizes me that people today do not know how to use even basic dos > commands. they don't know about stuff like extended memory, upper memory > blocks, how to enable them, the fact that for example lotus123 for dos > requires xmb and extended memory and upper memory to be enabled to run > and so on. > > > > On 3/7/2017 5:52 PM, Ryan Conroy wrote: >> Thanks, but can you tell me how to use it? Like give me an example of >> how to run a game? >> >> You can email me off list if you'd like to. >> >> >> On 3/7/2017 2:58 PM, Joshua Kennedy wrote: >>> you can use talking dosbox with the asap screen reader and NVDA in >>> sleep mode, get it from >>> >>> >>> http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/talking_dosbox_Win3.1_Keynote_Keysoft.zip >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/6/2017 6:05 PM, Ryan Conroy wrote: >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> Does anyone on here know how to run dos games on windows 10? I've >>>> read about DOSBox, but have no idea how to use it. I downloaded it, >>>> but I'm completely lost. If someone could help me with that, I'd >>>> highly appreciate it. 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