Hi Dark and all, I just received this email and take my last message back, you responded in the message below. Claudio they have good points. Maybe we can look at another language for you that is free and do something together? It'll take time, but I want to see more games out there for Mobile platforms. HTH.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! > Hi Claudio, > If I might can I offer a bit of advice? As a new developer your > reputation is at stake, and the last thing you want to do is give your > customer base a wrong impression of you. Coming out and asking for money > to get started is, well, not a great way to incurrage investers into > your new game company. This is by no means a flame, but I want you to > think of a couple of points below just for some consideration. > > 1. As a result of being a totally new programmer you have no history > with the blind gaming community. No one has had a chance to sample any > game titles from you, seen how well you program, if you make interesting > games, etc. In short you haven't had a real opertunity to prove yourself > to everyone. > 2. When you ask a community such as ours to pay for the Basic 4PPC > compiler it says to a lot of us you aren't going to be able to license > quality music and sounds for your games. I have spent almost $300 on > sound effects and music for my Tomb Hunter games so far and that is six > times the price of that single compiler. Granted I was helped by selling > Montezuma's Return, but the fact of the matter is if you want > professional high quality sound effects you need a lot more cash than > the $54 for the Basic 4PPC compiler. That puts a lot of doubt in my mind > if you are finantially equipped to do production quality audio games. > 3. I apologise if this seams sinical, but there are lots of free > alternatives out there such as C++, Java, Visual C#, etc with a huge > amount of free documentation out there for free. Every time I have > attempted to interest you in a more low cost solution you say, "that > isn't for me." Ok, that is fine, but think of this. The fact of the > matter is you don't have the money to invest in Basic 4PPC, and maybe it > is time you look at more low cost solutions to get your feet wet in > programming. To quote an Americanism, "beggers can't be choosy." > 4. As a fellow programmer I can see you are really struggling to > understand something as simple as Visual Basic. As programming languages > goes VB is an extremely easy programming language to learn, and if you > can't grasp a language like Visual Basic your definitly not ready for > full production games. Visual Basic is called that because it is a basic > language, light on syntax, rules, and lacks more of the advanced > features of C Style languages. It is very very basic. > 5. Every time I begin taking on a programming student I incurrage them > to learn a C or C style language. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself > if there might be a practical reason for that? > Besides my own personal preference for C style languages like C++, C#, > and Java there is a very practical reason for choosing as I do. The > professional game world uses C++ for the majority of games, code > examples, and is filled with C++ programmers. If you were wishing to > join a mainstream game development list for help you would litterally > have to speak their language. In this case showing a code example in C++ > or similar would get the most help. > For example, not long ago I got and read a book on advanced A.I. systems > for computers. Guess what? > The entire book was full of > code examples in C++. Had I not had even a basic grasp of the language I > would have gotten nothing out of the book. As I have had both experience > writing and reading C++ source the code examples were of help to me. If > I was only a Basic programmer I wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. > 6. I really do not mean this harshly, but many of us on this list are > going through financial difficulties ourselves. Here in the U.S.A. the > country is going through a financial period of massive inflation. The > value of the American dollar is falling, gas prices have sky-rocketed > out of control, utility bills have gone up, basic house hold needs have > gone up in price, and everyone I personally know is in a bit of a > financial crunch of one kind or another. Whoever takes office in 2009 is > going to have one dandy of an economic mess to clean up after 8 years of > what boils down to incompitence and mismanagement of physical > responcibilities. > Anyway, to the point with things as they are I don't know of anyone who > has money to spend on donations or investments in an unknown company > without a really good reason to do so. Things are tight enough as it is > for some of us in the U.S.A. let alone spending out an extra $54 we > could use for public transpertation or something else that is a necessity. > > Claudio wrote: >> Hello all! >> Currently I am learning "basic 4ppc" and i am very happy to say "it gooes >> on!" >> I am looking forward and i am thinking that it is possible for me to >> create >> games with this language! >> Thanks also to Louis Bryand for his very helpfull emails and for his >> help. >> We only have one problem that might very inpossible. >> The mony! >> If you have the energi to make things and if your only problem is the >> "mony" >> it is a very grand opstakle! >> Again guys, if anyone here is willing to help me and if anyone here want >> do >> that, then he can go to my website and donate! >> My problem is: >> If I don't get mony, i musst stop learning and i musst switch to "vb" or >> so >> and it will be very hard for me to stop learning this language. >> Vb isn't the language for me, but i'll try to install all components on >> my >> system because if we don't get any donates I musst switch! >> Please note, what we need isn't a million or so. >> What we need is only 54 dollars for buing the invironment. >> Ok guys, it's now in your hand and it is now your decision. >> What I can do is looking, and learning. >> It is my dream to make games accessible for windows mobile smarth fones >> but >> if I don't get any supports from the other side it isn't possible. >> I'll let the spend point open until sathurday. >> After that i close it and then I'll look for another possibility. >> Regards, Claudio. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. 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