Fair enough.

I must admit on the occasions I've tried jaws I've never personally been a fan, but I won't start one of those arguements sinse they tend to be circular and overheated.


stil, hal 7 or later should work without a problem provided you know what your doing with the virtual focus.

6 might, but is likely to have some issues, but any version under 6 probably won't be much good.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Anouk Radix" <anou...@home.nl>
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Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:59 PM
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Hi, Well I was a hal user myself for many years as well though I dont have a recent version anymore (In the past I found it the best screenreader if you are a die hard braille user like me but wineyes and jfw have really caught up so my need to use hal has disappeared).
Greetings, Anouk,
----- Original Message ----- From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
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Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:52 PM
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Hi.

I'll mention the lack of message to niels. Try adding the patch, maybe that will give you the latest version without the message.

Yes, checking boxes does just give you a click, but really this doesn't matter, the only otpions music, sfx, which are check boxes are pretty obvious when checked or not, and others like blind compatibility mode or hard mode give you an on screen message.

the layout thing is unfortunately just a consequence of how Jaws formats screens when using the jaws curser. With hal, the text formatting comes out perfectly due to Hal's ability to use virtual focus in columns.

If you can set the screen view in window eyes or jaws to display a table format try that, though to be honest as a Hal user of 17 years I'm less sure how those things work. i do know though that people have played the game with Jaws and window eyes, so it is possible, though this might be through experience with the interface.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Anouk Radix" <anou...@home.nl>
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Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:43 PM
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Hi, I have smugglers 4, bought it a few days ago via the nielsbauergames website and got directed to a download link so I assume I have the current version. I will try the setup screen again but I THINK I hear the beep sound wether I check or uncheck a box but I will have to verify that. Both with jaws 11 and wineyes 7.2 although most stuff is labelled the interface still seems a bit strange and the labels are not on one line. What I mean is if you want to fire ships guns you get fire your but then not the word guns. I must say though that I dont use the jaws cursor but my braille display to navigate the screen. I still have to find out how I can left click with it though because so far I have not been able tog et the in game help topics to work. I wonder how you know if star systems are controlled by your faction or your enemies (in that case they are colored red) but so far I have not been able to get that colour registered on my braille display.
Greetings, Anouk,
----- Original Message ----- From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
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Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:34 PM
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the game is perfectly accessible.

I'd actually be interested to know which version of the game you got, sinse I thought that message had been taken out. It was initially in the game when the compatibility mode wasn't complete and stil in beta testing phase, but doesn't apply anymore, now all screens are properly labled.

as to check boxes, just listen for the bleep sound, that will tell you when something has been checked, even though it doesn't say so on screen. this is because s4 has specifically designed controls not the standard ones, but it really isn't a problem.

Btw, there actually wasn't need to buy the game, both have fairly extensive demos.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Anouk Radix" <anou...@home.nl>
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Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:21 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility


Hi, I bought this game along with tv maneger 2 (which in the end, after reading the manual i did not play) but smugglers seems interesting. I am now doing the game settings before starting a game however and apparently I cant see if a setting is checked or not, I also see when i enable the accessibility mode that it only works for the travel screen. I wonder how accessible this game really is.
Greetings, Anouk,
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