The command prompt worked well enough for everyone too, except that it
didn't really. The ribbons certainly have been controversial, but MS had a
reason to believe it would be more convenient for the vast majority of their
user base. Remember, companies don't design for edge cases, and we my
friend are an edge case to a company that does the volume of sales that
Microsoft does. It's the trade-off, you don't pay the blindness tax that
you do with specialized companies, but you have to roll with what they
provide to a much greater extent. The willingness of IOS and Android
application developers to put access into their apps is a welcome exception
to this phenomenon.
So, if you want software designed with access in mind, then use HJPad or
Guide or something like that, and no disrespect to you or those who use such
programs, I've taught them when I thought it was warranted. But if you want
access to the larger computer world, you're going to have to meet it part
way at least, and the bigger the company you buy software from, the farther
you're going to have to go. Don't like the ribbons, I believe there is a
work-around that puts the menus back in, at least for Office 2007. But
please, many of the rest of us have experienced the ongoing advances in
computer and related technologies to be a boon for our access to services
and information, so try to understand why we find your viewpoint puzzling at
best and frustratingly indicative of a problem in our community that holds
back innovation in our own software designs.
Christopher Bartlett
-----Original Message-----
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:41 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated
Lone Wolf
One of the points is that they don't need another new interface unless they
replace the darned ribbon interface with something that everyone, on an
equal basis, can use. The pulldown menu interface worked for everyone, and
it should have been left alone.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hayden Presley" <hdpres...@hotmail.com>
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for anupdated
Lone Wolf
> HI,
> Wait...wait...go back. You are suggesting Microsoft make available the
> ribbon interface and menubarsat the same time? All right: that's all well
> and good. But what if they develop a third interface. Thenyou just tack
> that
> onto the list of interfaces, right? Then a fourth? And a fifth? We keep
> complaining that Windows is getting more and more bloated, but what about
> this kind of thing?
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Gauler
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:01 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated
> Lone Wolf
>
> Hi Thomas,
> I personally are also not against new technologies or new features in
> future
>
> Windows operating systems or other programs.
> But I'd like to adress a few points as well.
> If a company wants to improove their software, then this is often good for
> all users and not because security might be better.
> But what I often don't get is why people think it is time to force design
> changes.
> I know of the ribbon interface of MS Office products and such.
> I don't have used them (Office 2007 or 2010) thus I won't comment on which
> screen reader can best handle it.
> I also know that every major upgrade brings new features as well.
> But what I don't get is why MS did come up with the new interface and
> removed the old interface instead of having them both in the product for
> every person sighted or not to choose the design of their product.
> I mean, why do programs like Winamp or Windows Media Player allow skins or
> skin packs?
> The players ship with a standard interface, but are open for user created
> content.
> Besides I had a sighted teacher who personally told me that he had several
> sighted friends and colleagues who were users of MS Office pre 2007 and
> when
>
> the new products came out they also had problems adapting and getting to
> figure out the new interface and they could see and use the mouse properly
> compared to us blind people.
> And about screen readers like Voice Over or Narrator.
> It would be good if thoose could be improoved.
> But what I still don't get is why any assistive technology included in an
> operating system (windows mostly) cannot be used to aid during first
> installation (when you format your hard drive or when you use a blank
> one).
> For years there was nothing short of a sighted person to help even if it
> became a bit easier with unattended installations of XP and a few older
> Windows versions.
>
>
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