Not necessarily 100% relevant/compliant, but it seems to be possible to actually browse the start menu in a similar fashion to things like windows XP if you hit windows key, arrow up once to all programs submenu, arrow right, and then arrow down like twice, and you can then either browse through all menu items, etc., or do something like hit first letter to move down to that piece of the programs menu, and then go from there, and the only funny, remaining thing is that if you then open a programs submenu, and then arrow down past it, you actually move back up one level and then carry on down there, but if you then arrow up again, it takes you back to the still open submenu, etc.

In other words, roundabout the only thing I totally ignore is windows7's version of the quick start toolbar - called something like taskbar buttons, and, yes, while it took me a bit of use/time to get used to/like the windows7 interface at all, it's alright now, and the only other thing I do have here is what they call the godmode control panel, which makes it quite a bit better/easier to find things there:
"Create a new folder in a convenient place like the Desktop.

Rename the folder to:
GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

(note that you can change the "GodMode" text, but the following period and code number are essential).

The folder icon will change, double click it to show the GodMode control panel"

And, this folder will only show up as godmode, or the name you gave it, since the . and code will sort of be hidden, but anyway.

The main thing with this godmode is it sort of groups related groups of control panel items, in groups that you can also open and close using left and right arrow keys, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

----- Original Message ----- From: "dark" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly


For me, the reason I prefer the classic start menue is simply that it is static.

for instance, over the past 10 or so years I've been on the net, I've worked out a system of subfolders in my start menue. I have an audiogames folder with games index by developer, a text games folder for eamon deluxe and if interpreters, a freeware games folder for my graphical games, a useful programs folder for avg, 7zip, winamp and other handy stuff etc.

I just much prefer having my stuff liked this, layed out like books in a library than having context sensative this, last used that, and recommended the other.

For instance, if I want to play gma tank commander, it doesn't matter when I last played it, I know! i'll find it under audio games/gma games. Indeed, I might not actually want! to play the last game I played.

Yes, I could use the search box, but just like brousing a set of book shelves, I like brousing my game directories and thinking "hay, It's been ages sinse I last played alien outback, why not give that a bash"

Same with favourites in fact. I have folders for work books, audio games, online brouser games, online books such as darker projects, scifi resources with subfolders for Dr. who and startrek etc.

I actually enjoy! individually organizing and collecting them, rather than having the process automated.

That is why I prefer the classic menue in xp, and would use classic shell in windows 7.

the other thing I found in windows 7, is that windows explorer was far more annoying to use, in the way it didn't just put you inside folder subgroups when you click on a folder, it seemed to have random silly buttons everywhere, and looking at a folders contents was near impossible!

Just like in my favourites, I have my audio books in folders by author, and music genre and artist folders that I've organized myself.

When I want to play one, I just wander into my c:\music directory (I never use my music in my documents, I prefer all my actual music in the one place), find a folder or a track and play it in winamp.

Indeed sometimes I just bang my entire 70 gb music folder on shuffle in winamp just for the heck of it :d.

I think this is really my problem with modern ui. I treat my computer as a literal virtual environment that I myself wish to organize, just the same way I might organize books or dvds on a shelf, with catagories, subcatagories and the like that I can quickly reach. Where as microsoft (and from the sound of it the ubuntu lynux developers), what everything looking flashy with a bazillion buttons all over the place offering you automated access to lots of stuff that the computer recommends without having to leave a single screen, the idea having as much information in the one place and on the one screen as possible, ----- though from what my sighted friends say about the ui it doesn't sound like many of them like it much either, though there are some that go for convenience over organization it is true. However if this is the case, why couldn't microsoft just have variable ui settings? The way in xp you could choose! classic or modern menues.

But no, microsoft, the big company is always right as usual.

Beware the grue!

dark.

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