Helo KEVIN Well done your words making all the points , yet need refinement at the end with final conclusion.Some point
Is N2 and co2 free need only to be syngas , or this is pure syngas which Greg do not agree Syngas can be any gas , can include producer gas , water gas .Historically Syngas the latest , process independent as Tom correctly conclude that syngas is general one where as the other are more specific your truely Dr.Pannirselvam.P.V On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote: > We seem to be going around in great big circles!! > > Can we first define "Syngas"? > > I believe the term refers to "Synthesis Gas", and not "Synthetic Gas." > > "Synthesis Gas" can be gas of any composition which is used to synthesize a > subsequent product. If "Synthesis Gas" is used as a fuel, it is not being > used to synthesize a product, and is therefore not "Synthesis Gas", but > rather is simply "Fuel Gas." > > "Producer Gas" is any gas produced by a "Gas Producer." GEK's Larosifiers, > and Wellman-Galushas are all "gas producers. A Coke Oven is a "Gas Producer, > producing "Coke Oven Gas." "Water Gas"is another "Producer Gas" produced by > introducing steam to incandescent carbon (charcoal or coke) > > A "Stratified Downdraft Gasifier" produces "Producer Gas", and if the > feedstock was wood, this "producer gas" would be "Wood Gas." They produce a > gas that is high in tars, and while it is an excellent "Fuel Grade Gas", for > direct burning, it has far too much tar content to be used as an "Engine > Grade Gas." (EGG). Imbert style Gasifiers, when properly configured, as is > the GEK, can produce a wood gas, or a producer gas, that is adequately low > in tar content, such that it can be used for fuel in a burner, or it can be > used as feed to an engine. If the GEK output gas was used for processing > further to yield a different product, then it would be producing a > "synthesis gas", and it would indeed be proper to state that it was > producing "syngas." > > Thats how I see things.... am I missing something? > > Kevin Chisholm > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* [email protected] > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:12 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_ > > I believe we are all ardent admirers of Jim's Gek, the continual > improvements made to the design and automatic control for the production of > clean flammable gas is the objects of our admiration. > However, there are many among us, who believe the term "Syngas" describes a > synthetic version of a naturally occurring organic compound (methane).which > has far more energy content than the production of a GEK. > If the GEK really produces "Syngas" there are obviously no improvements to > be made to the QUALITY of the gas produced. The GEK has most certainly > "arrived". > If we believe this then we can all pack up and go home. What is the object > of this site if some one has found the Holy Grail which we all seek. > On the other hand, there are rules for successfully marketing a product and > Jim has not broken any of these. > He needs to describe his product in the best possible light in order to > fuel the continued research and development he has shared with us. > Syngas is an excellent descriptive word, are we to have a referendum on its > application? > > > GF > > > For me synthesis gas should have the capability of being used to synthesis > some product. > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Toby Seiler <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Tom, >> >> Jim was right, I'm working on a machine that is intended to some degree to >> integrate principles of making synthesis gas, so I have a vested interest in >> his use of terminology used in marketing his product that, I >> believe, contributes to a public misunderstanding. I've asked Jim nice many >> times in the past to consider the differences that Doug, Bill Klein, >> Greg and many other professionals on this list have explained to Jim and >> myself years ago. >> >> GF (and others) recognize that there is commercial value in marketing the >> "syngas" claim in addition to the technical correctness issue. >> >> Unfortunately with a mushrooming interest in energy issues, many un or >> under-educated persons have now become part of our various governments and >> making public policy. Continued use of wrong terminology, now even amongst >> government officials making policy decisions, eventually affects enterprise >> large and small. >> >> I'm impressed by Jim and his crew's ability to appeal to a large audience >> of interested, computer literate folks. I wish him success. >> >> I don't want this to be harsh or attacking to Jim, but feel that continued >> effort to make alternative energy progress will require even greater >> technical distinctions, rather than blending terms together as "generic" >> terms. 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