On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Toby Seiler <[email protected]> wrote: > Tom, > > Jim was right, I'm working on a machine that is intended to some degree to > integrate principles of making synthesis gas, so I have a vested interest in > his use of terminology used in marketing his product that, I > believe, contributes to a public misunderstanding. I've asked Jim nice many > times in the past to consider the differences that Doug, Bill Klein, Greg and > many other professionals on this list have explained to Jim and myself years > ago. >
well toby, there you go again. and now you've also ignored the raw data, in addition to the previous detailed description and logical argument. again, the comedy here is I AM NOT USING THE TERM SYNGAS TO DESCRIBE OR MARKET THE GEK. i posted the raw data relating to the use of the syngas term on the gek site. you glossed over it without impact on your claims. here it is again below. i would like for you to respond to this data. and hopefully retract your statement that i am using this term to market the GEK currently, along with the assertion that i am actively trying to mislead about the nitrogen content in the gek gas (of which there is plenty). that represents the current state of affairs and representation. as for future states of affairs and representations, the more i look into the history of this term, its use internationally, and general movement in use academically, govt, commercially and popularly, i think i am going to start using it actively. the transition is actually much further along than i realized when i was just waving hands around here about it being a better term. but again, the current representation of the gek on our site does not use the term actively. please respond to the data i have presented. show some nuance. if we cannot respond reasonably to data clearly presented, description and argument clearly constructed, how are we every going to make meaningful progress on the problem of biomass thermal conversion? vocabulary might be the least of our problems here . . . here's the gek site term use inventory. you may have to click "show hidden" to see it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- below is an inventory of actual usage of the terms in question on the gek site. i've done this for the 8 most visited pages on the site, in order. i've then pulled out a much lower visited page, but the one where i thought my "sins" would be the most pronounced. this is the one where the details of gasification are explained. it is the 14th most visited page. as you will see, there is no sentence of the type "the GEK makes syngas". in actuality, the "syngas" term is barely even used. in the top 8 pages, only 3 occurrances, 1 to note that "syngas" is one of many terms used for the gas, and 2 in passing while talking about mixing systems. in contrast, there are 82 occurrances of the term "gasifier", 28 occurrances of the term "gasification", 9 for "wood gas", 0 for "producer gas", 0 for "suction gas", 0 for "synthesis gas". i'll even eliminate the two passing uses of the term while discussing mixing if that helps quell this nonsensical lexical tempest. more to your point, the selling pages have exactly 0 declarations that "syngas" is the gas being made by the GEK. that's right- zero. the term is in not used anywhere to make a claim about the type of gas the gek makes, nor to promote its sale. not sure if this changes anything, but that's the data. as a man of science, i trust you will recalibrate your conclusions in relation to the real data. here's the detail inventory. it is done over the permanent content on each page. not rss feeds in the left column from elsewhere, which change constantly and not in my control (though i could find zero occurances of the "syngas" term there either). 1. GEK gasifier home page: http://www.gekgasifier.com gasifier (9), gasification (4), syngas (1), wood gas (0), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) the "offending" syngas sentence at the bottom of the page: "The system automatically adjusts syngas/air mixture via a wide band Bosch oxygen sensor, shakes the grate when needed, and removes ash via a mechanical auger.") 2. How to make the GEK page: http://www.gekgasifier.com/wood-gasifier-plans/ gasifier (8), gasification (3), syngas (0), wood gas (1), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) 3. Power Pallet info and buy page: http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-store/gasifier-genset-skids/ gasifier (19), gasification (3), syngas (2), wood gas (2), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) the two 2 syngas references are again in the context of talking about fuel/air mixing 4. Store front: http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-store/ gasifier (8), gasification (3), syngas (0), wood gas (1), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) 5. Wiki page with detail plans and CAD drawings on making and using the GEK: http://wiki.gekgasifier.com/w/page/6123754/How-to-Build-and-Run-the-GEK-Gasifier gasifier (8), gasification (3), syngas (0), wood gas (2), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) 6. BEK biochar info page: http://www.gekgasifier.com/reactor-options/pyrolysis-biochar/ gasifier (5), gasification (2), syngas (0), wood gas (2), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) 7. Gasification Basics, intro to the tech: http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-basics/ gasifier (8), gasification (6), syngas (0), wood gas (0), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) the closest i get to sin here is: "Gasification is the use of heat to tranform solid biomass, or other carbonaceous solids, into a synthetic “natural gas like” flammable fuel.") 8. Gasifier kits info and buy page: http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-store/gasifier-systems-and-kits/ gasifier (17), gasification (4), syngas (0), wood gas (1), producer gas (0), synthesis gas (0) Here's where i thought my biggest "sins" would be. This is the page with the detailed explanation of how gasification works: http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-basics/how-it-works/ gasifier (8), gasification (18), syngas (2), wood gas (2), producer gas (1), synthesis gas (0), suction gas (1) there are 2 sentences with syngas. the "offending sentences: "The gas produced by this method goes by a variety of names: “wood gas”, “syngas”, “producer gas”, “suction gas”, etc." "This is why an engine run on syngas can have such clean emissions." those appear to be the facts from my neck of the woods. others are invited to review the above pages and point out where they think things are otherwise or should be changed. i'll happily change them, as i don't really have a horse in this race. percentage nitrogen density isn't really the relevant racetrack to work out the real issues with this tech. jim > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Gasification list has moved to > [email protected] - please update your email contacts to reflect > the change. > Please visit http://info.bioenergylists.org for more news on the list move. > Thank you, > Gasification Administrator > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Mason Website: http://www.whatiamupto.com Current Projects: - Gasifier Experimenters Kit (the GEK): http://www.gekgasifier.com - Escape from Berkeley alt fuels vehicle race: www.escapefromberkeley.com - ALL Power Labs on Twitter: http://twitter.com/allpowerlabs - Shipyard Announce list: http://lists.spaceship.com/listinfo.cgi/icp-spaceship.com _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
