Pann introduced me to fermentation of biodiesel waste glycerol. He says the process is easier that what I am proposing. The process uses yeast. The stuff is real close to sugar and it looks like many microbes would eat it. I'm worried about waste so I'll have to read more.
P On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Pannirselvam P.V <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Philip mansk > good experiments > very good results > very good start > the immobolised cells in the fiber can have more life time than pure > submerged systems. > Biofilm reactor are good one , recirculating syngas and acids > The next step can be to build bioreactor > your truely > Pannirselvam > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Anand, >> >> My results and methods are crude but it looks like I'm on the right >> track. I like the syngas - methane route mentioned above but the >> process requires some sophisticated and expensive reactors. Its worth >> looking at manure to house all of it. There is not much in the >> literature that says man made reactors are more efficient for this >> process. >> >> I used 32 ounce bottles and filled to bottles with semi solid manure >> and I had to top off with tap water to make anoxic conditions. To that >> I added about one ounce of CO2 water, or acetate or a mixture of both. >> The mixture bottle did not do well on the first round and the acetate >> alone bottle became toxic and killed all of the methane producing >> bacteria. The papers say use much less. i used water with O2 in it, >> thus poisoning the reaction. Thats a good kind of mistake. >> >> If acetate is the precursor to methane then CO, taken from syngas, is >> the precursor to acetate and that test comes next or at least soon. >> It would be great progress if it worked. >> >> Phllip >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Dear Philip, >> > vinegar (acetic acid) is precursor of methane. CH3COOH=CH4+CO2. So it >> > but natural that the mixture which contained vinegar produced more >> > biogas than the control. >> > Yours >> > A.D.Karve >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM, phillip manske <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> In an effort to construct the syngas - methanation route, I formed a >> >> thesis that manure, being as perfect as a methane microbe reactor can >> >> that nature can build , can be reanimated and managed to produce more >> >> biogas once the naturally occurring reactants are exhausted. >> >> >> >> I put four bottles of manure in a thermophile water bath. One bottle >> >> was kept as a control and the had CO2 water, white vinegar and a >> >> mixture thereof. These configurations produced different results. The >> >> acetate sterilized the methanogens, the CO2 water addition produced >> >> feeble biogas and the mixture also produced less than the control >> >> bottle. The bottles were left for three weeks to ferment. After >> >> that, they were left at room temperature for a week and then reheated >> >> in the water bath. The mixture bottle produced vigorously, perhaps at >> >> several times the usual production rate. I can't if the gas is >> >> CO2, biogas or CH4 but if its biogas, the finding is significant. >> >> >> >> P. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gasification mailing list >> >> >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> >> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > *** >> > Dr. A.D. 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