Dear Philip, glycerine can also be fermented into biogas. The process does not need yeast but methanogenic micro-organisms Yours A.D.Karve
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:48 AM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote: > Pann introduced me to fermentation of biodiesel waste glycerol. He > says the process is easier that what I am proposing. The process uses > yeast. The stuff is real close to sugar and it looks like many > microbes would eat it. I'm worried about waste so I'll have to read > more. > > P > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Pannirselvam P.V <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Hi Philip mansk >> good experiments >> very good results >> very good start >> the immobolised cells in the fiber can have more life time than pure >> submerged systems. >> Biofilm reactor are good one , recirculating syngas and acids >> The next step can be to build bioreactor >> your truely >> Pannirselvam >> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Anand, >>> >>> My results and methods are crude but it looks like I'm on the right >>> track. I like the syngas - methane route mentioned above but the >>> process requires some sophisticated and expensive reactors. Its worth >>> looking at manure to house all of it. There is not much in the >>> literature that says man made reactors are more efficient for this >>> process. >>> >>> I used 32 ounce bottles and filled to bottles with semi solid manure >>> and I had to top off with tap water to make anoxic conditions. To that >>> I added about one ounce of CO2 water, or acetate or a mixture of both. >>> The mixture bottle did not do well on the first round and the acetate >>> alone bottle became toxic and killed all of the methane producing >>> bacteria. The papers say use much less. i used water with O2 in it, >>> thus poisoning the reaction. Thats a good kind of mistake. >>> >>> If acetate is the precursor to methane then CO, taken from syngas, is >>> the precursor to acetate and that test comes next or at least soon. >>> It would be great progress if it worked. >>> >>> Phllip >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Dear Philip, >>> > vinegar (acetic acid) is precursor of methane. CH3COOH=CH4+CO2. So it >>> > but natural that the mixture which contained vinegar produced more >>> > biogas than the control. >>> > Yours >>> > A.D.Karve >>> > >>> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM, phillip manske <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> In an effort to construct the syngas - methanation route, I formed a >>> >> thesis that manure, being as perfect as a methane microbe reactor can >>> >> that nature can build , can be reanimated and managed to produce more >>> >> biogas once the naturally occurring reactants are exhausted. >>> >> >>> >> I put four bottles of manure in a thermophile water bath. One bottle >>> >> was kept as a control and the had CO2 water, white vinegar and a >>> >> mixture thereof. These configurations produced different results. The >>> >> acetate sterilized the methanogens, the CO2 water addition produced >>> >> feeble biogas and the mixture also produced less than the control >>> >> bottle. The bottles were left for three weeks to ferment. After >>> >> that, they were left at room temperature for a week and then reheated >>> >> in the water bath. The mixture bottle produced vigorously, perhaps at >>> >> several times the usual production rate. I can't if the gas is >>> >> CO2, biogas or CH4 but if its biogas, the finding is significant. >>> >> >>> >> P. >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Gasification mailing list >>> >> >>> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>> >> >>> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >>> >> >>> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >>> >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > *** >>> > Dr. A.D. 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