Thomas,
Thanks for the explanation. Is it felt that the taxes on energy there
are unevenly or unreasonably applied? What would be the rational for NG
prices to be so proportionally high?
Is this not significantly different than all the rest of the EU?
Historical price patterns have changed here too with NG costing a small
fraction of heating oil (and of your NG). Two societies here; the piped
and the un-piped.
Regards,
Alex
On 29/07/2012 1:45 PM, Thomas Koch wrote:
Alex
You are right -- my explanatiion is not very clear.
In Denmark the electricity price that a producer can sell at varies
between 4 and 10 EURc/kWh -- most of the time -- 5-7 EURc/kWh. On top
of that is a green premium to guaranteed price. For gasifiers it is 10
EURc/kWh -- 74,5 øre/kWh - as far as I remember. The comsumer pays
aprox 30 EURc/kWh.
If you use natural gas you pay approx. 1,2 EUR/m3 ~ 11-12 EURc/kWh +
plus cost of gas furnace.
In this market where a gasifier can sell electricity for 100 EUR/MWh
and heat at 70-80-90 EUR/MWh (due to the losses in the transmission
grid there are no money to pay the extra investment from a biomass
boiler to a biomass gasifier. If you also take in account that the
char losses on tha gasifier can be 4-10 times higher than for a boiler
you end up at a loss.
This calculations can be different for different locations -- eg. in
Italy there has been extremely high green premiums (250-300 EUR/MWh)
for a period. But it does not really help if the technology developers
does not trust the Italian politicians.
Did that help you?
Best regards
Thomas
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Thomas,
I don't understand your comment.
Could you describe how the price of heat and electricity have changed
to make "heat more expensive than electricity".
Thanks,
Alex English
On 29/07/2012 8:23 AM, Thomas Koch wrote:
But - now heat is more expensive than electricity -- and the cost
level we have reached is 2-10 times the market price.
And of course none of the plants are no where near a commercial
product (apart from one that is close to -- but 2-4 times too
expensive) because the investors are looking for projects that
have a chance of being competitive with in 2-10 years.
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