Hi Tom,

Pleased that you are still able to contribute to these debates, and as you seek 
comment to your intentions to do some testing, here goes(:-)

Dear Doug and all:

The Toplit Updraft gasifier produces a different gas (plus 20% charcoal, mostly 
from the lignin) than the downdraft gasifier.  I believe it may be a cleaner 
gas, since cellulose (~ CH2O) vaporizes to produce a different gas (CO + H2 + 
?) than the lignin.  

My understanding of these open core concepts of gas making, is that all the 
pyrolysis gases released at the descending flame front of the raw fuel, are 
combusted in and with a portion of the char on the upper gas outlet side of the 
flame front. Reduction would take place in this narrow band of high temperature 
to give us the CO, but I would expect to see the H2 start out low, and increase 
as the depth of char increases.(Needs longer dwell time).

Question. Have you done continuous gas analysis from start-up to shut down?

Your question mark in the equation suggests a combustible gas (~CH20), which 
would have to survive the combustion /oxidation phase, or does this 
vaporization take place as a portion of the char is consumed first in 
oxidation,then reduction? Looking at these gasifying stove rings burning as a 
blue gas, one might conclude that there is little if any condensable tars 
present. If CH20 survives to be measured as a gas, it's formation may be 
reflected in the H2 variation if present, depending on exactly where the H2 
forms. Having said that, I have no experience to draw from, to know if there is 
enough thermal inertia after reduction to allow "other" reactions to take place.

As soon as we get some warm weather, I'll try to measure the tar content from 
each, using my 2 kW generator and a 5 gal tar filter made from the charcoal.   
Comments, suggestions?

As you expect to capture tars in charcoal, then I would want to have good 
control over the gas cooling/filter temperatures, as the dew points of the fuel 
moisture content are linked to carrying lighter pyrolysis gas/oils through 
filter media. I'd want to know, especially the downdraft gasifier, if it had a 
proven ability to make gas without or known condensing hydrocarbons, using the 
fuels of the test.

You also have the engine to feed you lots of info as to gas condition, and I 
would use that as a pre-test before you add the charcoal filter. A quick look 
under the throttle butterfly could save you a lot of useless testing if you see 
the sticky stuff in there! 

I'm sure you know all these answers already Tom, but will watch for your 
postings of the results.

Regards,
Doug Williams,
Fluidyne----


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