Hi Tom, I'm sorry to say, that I've never sat down and figured it out, I also do believe that MY "guestamate" on a ton of biomass basis was (and still is) "WAY out in left field"...
But that is "typical" of me. Greg Manning On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Tom Reed <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Greg > > Thanks for the detailed analysis... > > I note that hydrogen, CO, CH4 Argon +O2 and N2 make up about 99% of the > total. Interesting that there are so many other minor constituents > requiring mass spec analysis, and probably missed by early analyses. Do > you have a calculated energy content (kJ/m^3 or Btu/ft^3) for this > particular analysis? > > Thanks a bunch.. > > Tom Reed > > (aka) > > Dr. Thomas B Reed > 280 Hardwick Rd > Barre, MA 01005 > > 508 353 7841 > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Greg Manning <[email protected]> wrote:Being > speculative based on some known facts, I would assume that since 1 ton of > biomass (based on Ideal Gasifiction (NOT "syngas", but rather "woodgas" or > "producer gas", an average of small gasifiers is a common CO2 output > of approximately 11 to 30 % by volume (See sample GCMS report below) > > > It would be a qualified guess to say, 7 to 8 tons of biomass, BASED on > reasonable gasification of the said biomass. I am > NOT considering incineration, ONLY "home made" gasification. > > Greg Manning, > www.cangas.ca > > ========================================== > > > | RT | Compound Name | Amount | > > | (min) | | % | > > ------------------------------------------- > > | 1.164|hydrogen | 11.22 | > > | 2.251|C7+ | 0.03 | > > | 2.399|carbon dioxide | 12.79 | > > | 3.209|methane | 1.06 | > > | 3.347|ethane | 0.06 | > > | 3.473|ethylene | 0.18 | > > | 3.857|propane | 0.01 | > > | 0.000|cyclopropane | 0.00 | > > | 4.537|propylene | 0.04 | > > | 4.935|acetylene | 0.00 | > > | 5.138|isobutane | 0.00 | > > | 5.191|propadiene | 0.00 | > > | 5.326|n-butane | 0.00 | > > | 0.000|hydrogen sulfide | 0.00 | > > | 6.280|t-2 butene | 0.00 | > > | 6.362|1-butene | 0.00 | > > | 6.536|isobutylene | 0.00 | > > | 6.701|c-2-butene | 0.00 | > > | 0.000|isopentane | 0.00 | > > | 7.407|n-pentane | 0.00 | > > | 7.579|1,3 butadiene | 0.01 | > > | 7.807|argon-oxygen | 6.84 | > > | 7.961|3-methyl-1-butene | 0.00 | > > | 8.090|t-2-pentene | 0.00 | > > | 8.155|nitrogen | 61.36 | > > | 8.240|2-methyl-2-butene | 0.00 | > > | 8.296|1-pentene | 0.00 | > > | 8.338|2-methyl-1-butene | 0.00 | > > | 8.453|c-2-pentene | 0.00 | > > | 9.250|C6+ | 0.02 | > > | 9.886|carbon monoxide | 6.37 | > > > > Total 100.00 > > > > ========================================== > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, A.Saravanakumar < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Booster Reed, >> >> How much ton of biomass will burn to produce 1 ton of CO2? >> >> A. Saravanakumar >> >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:38:55 +0530 wrote >> >Send Gasification mailing list submissions to >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bio >> energylists.org >> >> >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Gasification digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. Re: CO2 emission of whole system for smaall size generator >> >> (20kWe) (GF) >> >> 2. Re: CO2 emission of whole system for smaall size generator >> >> (20kWe) (Arnt Karlsen) >> >> 3. Re: CO2 emission of whole system for smaall sizegenerator >> >> (20kWe) (Thomas Reed) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:04:26 -0400 (EDT) >> >> From: GF ** >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] CO2 emission of whole system for smaall >> >> size generator (20kWe) >> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> >> >> It is a little known fact that CO2 can be converted into Methane. Years >> ago this was expensive and quite a difficult reaction to perform, >> involving very high pressure and temperature reaction chambers together >> with exotic catalysts. However,over the years since "Sabatier" >> discovered how to perform this remarkable feat, fuel and chemical >> refiners have developed a lower cost approach. But fairly high >> temperatures are still required, making the process expensive. >> Fortunately, there is considerable waste heat available at the exhaust >> manifold of your Engine to supplant some of this cost. Additional heat >> is also required in order to re-arrange the molecules back into fuel, >> this is where a stream of hydrogen from an out side source such as your >> gasifier will help, as will super heated distilled water. The >> additional heat can be provided by a plasma produced by an arc or an >> electrode less plasma produced by Electromagnetic means. nothing more >> than 2kw. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> GF >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: J?r?mie Biton ** >> >> To: gasification ** >> >> Sent: Wed, Aug 17, 2011 9:45 am >> >> Subject: [Gasification] CO2 emission of whole system for smaall size >> generator (20kWe) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello to all, >> >> >> >> Does anybody have an idea of the CO2 emission after generator? >> >> For comparison, a diesel generator of this size (20kWe) has a rate of >> about 1,1 kgeqCO2/kWh. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> asification mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> ttp://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioe >> nergylists.org >> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> >> ttp://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> ** lists.org/attachments/20110817/3f5cf926/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 2 >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:46:39 +0200 >> >> From: Arnt Karlsen ** >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] CO2 emission of whole system for smaall >> >> size generator (20kWe) >> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:04:26 -0400 (EDT), GF wrote in message >> >> <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > It is a little known fact that CO2 can be converted into Methane. >> >> > Years ago this was expensive >> >> >> >> ..still is: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane#Atmospheric_methane >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen >> >> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... >> >> Scenarios always come in sets of three: >> >> best case, worst case, and just in case. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 3 >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:38:05 -0400 >> >> From: Thomas Reed ** >> >> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification >> >> ** >> >> Cc: "**" >> >> ** >> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] CO2 emission of whole system for smaall >> >> sizegenerator (20kWe) >> >> Message-ID: ** >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Jeremy and all >> >> >> >> Both gasoline and diesel are approximately -CH2- chained together. >> Their combustion can be written >> >> >> >> CH2 + 3/2(O2 + 3.76 N2) ==> CO2 + H2O + 5.64 N2 >> >> M 14. 44. 18 158. 220 >> >> >> >> So the all important Air/Fuel, A/F ratio is 220 /14= 15.7 >> >> >> >> The ratio is often given as 14.7. Maybe this is due to the presence of >> unsaturated and aromatics with lower H/C ratios. >> >> >> >> The oxygen sensor is capable of measuring very small amounts of >> unburned fuel or oxygen in the exhaust and adjusting the A/F ratio for >> perfect combustion. >> >> >> >> Diesel combustion is always lean. >> >> >> >> Lucky us that our cars are so clean. >> >> >> >> Tom Reed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 17, 2011, at 9:44 AM, J?r?mie Biton ** wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hello to all, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Does anybody have an idea of the CO2 emission after generator? >> >> > >> >> > For comparison, a diesel generator of this size (20kWe) has a rate of >> about 1,1 kgeqCO2/kWh. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Jeremy >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Gasification mailing list >> >> > >> >> > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> > >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bio >> energylists.org >> >> > >> >> > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> >> > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> ** lists.org/attachments/20110817/c6e7453e/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gasification mailing list >> >> >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bio >> energylists.org >> >> >> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> End of Gasification Digest, Vol 12, Issue 13 >> >> ******************************************** >> >> >> >> <http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline.htm@Middle?> >> Treat yourself at a restaurant, spa, resort and much more with *Rediff >> Deal ho >> jaye!<http://track.rediff.com/click?url=___http://dealhojaye.rediff.com?sc_cid=mailsignature___&cmp=signature&lnk=rediffmailsignature&newservice=deals> >> * >> _______________________________________________ >> Gasification mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > >
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