Thanks so much for this Kevin...very helpful! :-) Lori
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Lori and Ray > > Whoops! I replied too quickly... I was looking more at the end use of the > char, rather than the suitability of chips for char making. > > Ray is correct... chips are very different from stickwood for char making. > I was wrong in suggesting that the Gilmore Char maker would be good for > charring chips without modification. > > The problem is that there is a very high pressure drop through chips, > compared to stickwood. With chips: > 1: The chips would have to be dried first > and > 2: A forced draft system would be required. > > Firstly, Lori would need a system for drying the chips. Secondly, the > basic Gilmore char maker would have to be modified to convert it to a > "forced draft char maker." This could be accomplished with a circle of > screen, 1/4 to 3/8" square openings, mounted 4" to 6" above the bottom of > the barrel. An external fan would be connected to the underside of the > screen, blowing into the space above the barrel end. The remainder of the > Gilmore Char maker would be the same. At the end of the burn, the fan would > be disconnected, and a pipe cap would be screwed on at the air inlet > connection, to prevent air ingress. > > Sorry about responding too quickly. :-( > > Best wishes, > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Menke" <[email protected]> > > To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" < > gasification@lists.**bioenergylists.org<[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Looking for contact info for Jeff Davis > > > Lori, I looked at your answers to Kevin's questions. I am assuming >> that wood CHIPS are your intended source for making biochar. I had >> six dump truck loads of chips delivered to my composting area, and >> immediately mixed them with cow manure, grass clippings, chicken and >> duck manure, etc, and started two giant compost piles. The green >> chips as delivered by the road crews will not be usable in gasifiers >> or biochar retorts until they are bone dry, and even then, I never was >> able to add more than a couple of 5 gallon plastic buckets of them to >> the retort to fill in some of the gaps. After several years, when you >> screen the compost, there will be some chips and shards of wood that, >> after they are dried, can be added to your retort. Due to years of >> drought, we have lots of dead trees that have been falling down or >> have been blown over. I use those for the charcoal making process, >> and can include heavy duty stalks from other plants such as rattlebox, >> corn, okra, and lambsquarters, and even the stalks from thistles. Any >> wood you place in a TLUD device, whether it be a cookstove or a 55 >> gallon retort must be really dry. (No green wood!) I sometimes use >> knots, "Y's" or other non-splittable wood in the retort, but it >> usually needs to be run through twice. It is possible to place >> another retort in the afterburner (or chimney) so it can utilize the >> heat from the lower retort. Once you start the retort, and if you see >> flames shooting out of the top barrel, you might get away with adding >> a shovel or two of chips, but too many and you will have a real smoke >> maker. I try to make no smoke.. >> You will need to make some drying racks. I use several large screens >> up on saw horses. The fuel must be dry. >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Lori Heath <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Ray! >>> >>> Lori >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Ray Menke <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Lori, >>>> Here is a link to a 36 page paper discussing biochars. >>>> >>>> <http://www.biochar-**international.org/sites/** >>>> default/files/All-Biochars--**Version2--Oct2009.pdf<http://www.biochar-international.org/sites/default/files/All-Biochars--Version2--Oct2009.pdf> >>>> > >>>> In my own personal garden, the use of biochar mixed into my compost >>>> has greatly increased the yield of onions, peppers, and potatoes, but >>>> seems to have stunted my okra and blackberries. (The grass around the >>>> biochar making area is extremely lush, and my cows love it..) I know >>>> blackberries like a pH around 5.5, and the ash that I added to the >>>> compost raised that pH. Ray >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Lori Heath <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Thanks for posting this, Erin. Do you know if the biochar produced by >>>> > this >>>> > method is suitable for biochar? >>>> > >>>> > Lori >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Erin Rasmussen <[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> I've assembled the Gary Gilmore's Charcoal making instructions from >>>> >> Jeff >>>> >> along with Mr. Gilmore's youtube videos and posted them on the >> >>>> biochar >>>> >> site >>>> >> for anyone that's interested. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> The Gary Gilmore Charcoal Drum >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.biochar.**bioenergylists.org/Gilmore-**Charcoal-Drum<http://www.biochar.bioenergylists.org/Gilmore-Charcoal-Drum> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> He does a great job of describing a top lit updraft charcoal making >>>> >> technique using a couple of steel drums and controlling airflow by >>>> >> selectively piling dirt up to block off the air holes. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Kind regards, >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Erin Rasmussen >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> TR Miles Technical Consultants Inc. http://www.trmiles.com/ >>>> >> >>>> >> and BioEnergy Discussion Lists http://www.bioenergylists.org/ >>>> >> >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> From: Gasification >>>> >> [mailto:gasification-bounces@**lists.bioenergylists.org<[email protected]> >>>> ] >>>> >> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Davis >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:43 AM >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification >>>> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Looking for contact info for Jeff Davis >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> I think you wanted Gary's document that has been sent to you but >> >>>> maybe >>>> >> your thinking of the gasifier that produced charcoal. >>>> >> >>>> >> I have no idea if any of these designs will produce biochar but they >>>> >> will >>>> >> produce charcoal. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Jeff >>>> >> >>>> >> ______________________________**__ >>>> >> >>>> >> From: "Lori Heath" <[email protected]> >>>> >> To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" >>>> >> <gasification@lists.**bioenergylists.org<[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:33:47 PM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Looking for contact info for Jeff Davis >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello there Jeff, >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks for your reply...Could you tell me if the design that you had >>>> >> for a >>>> >> biochar retort at your puffergas site is available elsewhere online? >>>> >> >>>> >> All the best, >>>> >> Lori Heath >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Jeffrey Davis <[email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Copy sent to Lori. >>>> >> >>>> >> Jeff >>>> >> >>>> >> ______________________________**__ >>>> >> >>>> >> From: "Tom Miles" <[email protected]> >>>> >> To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" >>>> >> <gasification@lists.**bioenergylists.org<[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:46:44 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Looking for contact info for Jeff Davis >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Lori, >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Jeff Davis closed his puffergas website and we transferred much of >>>> >> his >>>> >> information to the bioenergylists website. We’ll check to see if we >>>> >> have >>>> >> that file online. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Thnks >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Tom Miles >>>> >> >>>> >> Owner >>>> >> >>>> >> Bioenergylists.org >>>> >> >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >>>> >> www.gasifiers.bioenergylists.**org<http://www.gasifiers.bioenergylists.org> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> From: Gasification >>>> >> [mailto:gasification-bounces@**lists.bioenergylists.org<[email protected]> >>>> ] >>>> >> On Behalf Of Lori Heath >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:56 AM >>>> >> To: >>>> >> gasification@lists.**bioenergylists.org<[email protected]> >>>> >> Subject: [Gasification] Looking for contact info for Jeff Davis >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello, >>>> >> >>>> >> I am looking for the biochar retort design that used to be featured >>>> >> at >>>> >> the >>>> >> following website address... >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.puffergas.com/**historic/rules/rules.html<http://www.puffergas.com/historic/rules/rules.html> >>>> >> >>>> >> However, now when I click on this address, it redirects to Jeff >> >>>> Davis's >>>> >> site on Bioenergy Lists. >>>> >> >>>> >> Does anyone know where I could find the design I am looking for, >> >>>> and/or >>>> >> the contact information for the designer? >>>> >> >>>> >> Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >> >>>> >> Best regards, >>>> >> Lori Heath >>>> >> >>>> >> St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> >> Gasification mailing list >>>> >> >>>> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>> >> Gasification@bioenergylists.**org <[email protected]> >>>> >> >>>> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.**org/mailman/listinfo/** >>>> 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