It's good to have you back, Leon. 

Hugs,
Cee
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A. Leon Polhill 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:07 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U penalties and their consequences


  Does this mean that NCAA sanctions are imminent, Jay?



  p.s.  It's good to be back.





  A. Leon Polhill

  FlaNative1845

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  Gainesville, FL 32607

  (352) 367-4642



  -----Original Message-----
  From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Belloit
  Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:53 AM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: [gatortalk] F$U penalties and their consequences



  I have had some time to look at the F$U penalties and I would like to offer 
the following two points:



  First, it is possible that the number of vacated wins will not be as large as 
people might think.  The number of wins vacated is of course the number of wins 
where F$U had ineligible players playing-not the number of wins where the 
cheating students were involved as reported by the Associated Press.



  However, the way F$U handled the cheating, they made it fairly easy for a 
player to avoid the loss of eligibility. As I posted previously, there are two 
issues that define a student's eligibility. First their overall academic grade 
average (QPA). The student must maintain a minimum average. Normally, at almost 
all universities, a student who is caught committing academic fraud is given a 
failing grade for the course. That failing grade would significantly lower the 
student's QPA. In this case, however, F$U simply disenrolled the students from 
the course. Other than the loss of credits, this had no impact on their QPA. 
The only exception to this was a case where the student made an A or B in the 
Art class that was needed to raise their QPA to the required minimum level. By 
"vacating" the course, the student lost the benefit of the higher grade.

  The second issue is the requirement that the students must complete a minimum 
number of credit hours during the academic year. Students with insufficient 
hours can sometimes take enough credits during the following term or during the 
summer to meet their minimum requirement.

  The difficulty for the NCAA in this case is to determine if the students 
first had the academic average to remain eligible after the course was 
"vacated" or disenrolled and second had enough hours to remain eligible during 
the preceding academic year. (This is a little more complicated since the 
university must determine how many hours the student completed before the close 
of the previous academic year since football is a fall sport.)



  Second, the cheating on the Art courses will probably have a significant 
longer term consequence in that it will likely impact the APR for the school.  
F$U will likely lose more scholarships that the original penalties due to the 
APR. The APR calculation will likely drop significantly because of the students 
who took the Music class will have their previously reported credits reduced by 
that one class. While we do not and cannot get access to the actual student 
records, it is very likely that several of the students who got caught cheating 
will now not have completed the required hours to achieve the NCAA minimum 
required score on the Academic Progress Rating (APR). Since this is a five-year 
rolling average, the two years of the problem course is likely to have a 
significant impact. (To illustrate the power of the APR, Temple University lost 
nine scholarships because of their low APR. For more information try here: 
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=329



  While I intended this treatise to clear up some of the confusion about the 
sanctions, I probably have contributed to it.



  Jerry





  


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