On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Jerry Belloit wrote: > There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris > Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his > average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. >
Not that that would be a bad thing, but all per game statistics have minimum numbers associated with them. for example, Brantley is not the #1 quarterback in the NCAA for pass efficiency, as he has not appeared in enough games and/or thrown enough passes in the games that he has appeared in. One might quibble a bit as to the minimum #s required, but by and large no one does. I'd have to guess that they are fairly reasonable, and assumed that they would be part of my (or any) proposal as they are already part of the current per game approach. Unfortunately, that would knock out Collingsworth. > You could have a person who played only one year win the record. I would guess that career records would require three years of play. That would allow for those who go pro a year early. I suppose that might leave out someone so stellar that he redshirted his first year, played two great years and then went pro (such Bradford, had he gone pro after last year). By and large, anyone good enough to be in the record-breaking mix didn't sit out his freshman year. > Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more > games. Part of Tim’s record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel > would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might > not have had as many touchdowns. A very good point. Durability should count for something. I just can't see how to reconcile durability with the goal of normalizing a 14 game NCAA season with an 11 game season, or a 16 game NFL season with a 10 or 12 game season. If we don not, every all-time record set by legends of the game will be broken by above average players simply because of greater opportunities (e.g. Franco Harris setting the all- time career NFL rushing record). > Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. > Should their statistics be added in? I don't see this as a problem. In the era where there were Freshman teams, no one went pro early, so Wilt and Lew had three years of NCAA ball to meet the three year minimum. > > Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep > score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could > argue that we need to “standardize” the way we keep the records. > The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. > For example, let’s look at the highest scoring shooting guards in > Men’s basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have > to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 > point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then > recalculate their career points. Someone did that, and Pete Maravich averaged about 90 points a game at his peak. No one else - not Jordan, not Bernard King, not Dan Thompson, not Wilt - even comes close. I can agree that a rule is a rule, that was the point of my original post. My secondary point was that if someone wanted to ignore "a rule is a rule" and try to normalize across eras, adding 5 TDs to Herschel for his bowl games is the wrong way to do it, and propose a better methodology. -Zeb --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
