I think we all became convinced that coaching made the most difference in success with Steve Spurrier as coach. We still looked at Meyer through that lens when he proved that great recruiting leads to greater success. All this within reason. You have to recruit well in every position. (Zook proved that). And you have to have, at least, good (as opposed to great) coaching. Also, assuming Meyer is telling the truth, your reasoning breaks down. There was no job offer from the Buckeyes or Arizona. That is a mental stretch, of course, that he's truthful.
Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks, LLC 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 615-972-4239 615-826-4040 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Helen Huntley <[email protected]> wrote: > The thought I had when reading about this was that Urban has agreed to the > deal in principle, but has to check with Shelley first. I have become > convinced that the Gators' national championships had more to do with the > talent on the team (Tim Tebow, Brandon Spikes, et al) than it had to do with > any magic abilities Urban Meyer possessed. Had he stayed another year at > Florida, I doubt that the team would be been more successful than it has been > under Muschamp. In that case, would Ohio State have even wanted him? > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Randy Platt <[email protected]> wrote: > Listening to everyone give their opinion on Meyer to OSU got me to thinking. > Pretty scary idea, I know. But a lot of this may just be a case of bad or > good timing depending on your perspective. It is pretty much no secret that > Meyer has interest in 2 coaching jobs, OSU and ND. A year ago when Meyer > bailed, both of those jobs seemed secure. Had the sweater vest not been > canned by OSU, Meyer very well could have been content to stick with the > ESPN gig until his kids left the nest, at which time I fully expected Meyer > to get back into coaching if either job became available. The firing of > Tressel has accelerated the process. One reason there has not been a formal > announcement by OSU or Meyer besides the season not being over, may be the > Meyer is truly conflicted about getting back into the pressure cooker. > Another reason is that there is a published report I read or heard that said > that several influential booster/trustees are wooing Meyer without the > participation of the AD, administration of OSU or remaining Board of Trustee > members (this maneuver has been tried before most notably Auburn with > Tuberville/Petrino). Either way this turns out, I am not convinced it is > done deal just yet. > > > > However this turns out, I am over Meyer. Thanks for the memories, > appreciate what you did, be glad to put you name up on the stadium in the > ROH, don't let the door hit you in the @%#@ on the way out the door. > > > > Best wishes for a Happy Gobble Gobble! Go Gators, Beat FSU. > > > > > > Randy Platt > > aka "PCGator" > > aka "The Armchair Quarterback" > > aka "The Other Randy" > > > > Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Stephen Manuel > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Wkng reports meyer to bucknuts > > > > I thought some would some interested in what the current UF players are > saying about Urban Meyer taking the OSU job, given that just about everyone > was recruited to UF by Meyer. All the comments have come from Twitter. > > > > Jelani Jenkins: I don't think I could ever fully trust someone who has lied > to me more than once > > > > Tyler Murphy: College football is and always will be a business (Reply: > Michael Taylor said "yes very true and urban meyer is a business man") > (Retweeted: Gideon Ajagbe) > > > > Jeff Driskel: Why be mad at a man for doing whats best for him and his > family? > > > > Josh Evans: Smh you aint change not one bit.. (Smh= Shaking my head) > > > > Michael Taylor: There is an interesting individual on his way to Columbus > Ohio better yet there are three interesting individuals > > > > Frankie Hammond, Jr.: Everything is adding up.... > > > > > > Stephen Manuel > > -4805 > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Arthur Polhill > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Wkng reports meyer to bucknuts > > > > The bastid left me to close a sale on some bottom land. > > > A. Leon Polhill, Gator > "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. > I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain > > > > > > _____ > > From: Jay Cicone <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, November 23, 2011 3:11:21 PM > Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Wkng reports meyer to bucknuts > > I never realized you had a crush on me until now. I'm flattered. Does Leon > know you had a thing for him a few years ago? > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of mail.bobparks.com <http://mail.bobparks.com/> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Wkng reports meyer to bucknuts > > > > Yes Jay, I forgive you too. > > Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > Bob Parks, LLC > > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > > Gallatin TN 37066 > > 615-972-4239 > > 615-826-4040 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Jay Cicone <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ban him now. I trust Oliver has already forgiven all those guys he pined > for. > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of mail.bobparks.com <http://mail.bobparks.com/> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Wkng reports meyer to bucknuts > > > > Yes, I think Meyer definitely had a medical reason for quitting at UF. Nor > do I blame him for taking the OSU job, if he's really taking it. > > I'm with you and Rob, and wonder how effective as a coach will he be now > that he's managing from the background. > > He sure did a great job at Florida! That's how I will remember him. > > The question, Steve, is whether all those girls have forgiven you? > > Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > Bob Parks, LLC > > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > > Gallatin TN 37066 > > 615-972-4239 > > 615-826-4040 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Steve McKibben <[email protected]> wrote: > > I feel more the way Rob does. > > > > But I've also (finally!) reached the stage of my life where I've forgiven > all of the girls/women that I have known over the years that dumped > me/ignored me/didn't know that I existed... > > > > Steve > > > > > _____ > > > From: Scott Lucas <[email protected]> > > Or just maybe the whole timing and reasons he gave for leaving? Lets be > honest... if Tressel knew about the issues at OSU, others did too. Its not > too hard of a stretch to think some big time boosters at OSU knew it too and > probably planted a bug in Meyer's ear. We are talking 3-4 year old > knowledge of the ongoing improprieties-- that goes back before even Meyer's > last year at UF. Armed with the knowledge that Tressel's days were > numbered, could Meyer have looked for a way to get out? Would he look worse > getting out before a 6-5 season he must have known was coming and health > reasons, and being able to take a year off, and then taking the OSU job or > would he look worse leaving Florida for OSU outright? How much more upset > and angry would Gator Nation be? Could he have been protecting his image > and reputation as a winner and avoiding what he knew would be an off year? > > > > There is a LOT more to this behind the scenes than we will ever know, and it > surely is NOT just about his health issues. Was there some truth to what he > told all of us when he left? Sure there was... but there was a lot of lying > by omission and a lot of other reason we will never know nor would he admit. > > > Scott > > > > > _____ > > > From: Rob Alexander <[email protected]> > > It's funny how we accept complicated and conflicting feelings from people we > know, but then reduce people we don't know to one-dimensional charicatures. > I guess none of us has ever changed our minds, or said 'I'll never do that > again', but then done so. If we did, were we lying, or just expressing our > honest feelings at the time? Did it become a lie later even if we meant it > when we said it? (My wife says yes! :-) ) > > > > I don't find it at all hard to believe that Meyer meant what he said when he > resigned even if he takes the OSU job. The man had a serious health scare. > He came back and tried being more balanced, but it didn't turn out well. He > may well have concluded that he really couldn't be a successful coach and > live a balanced life. (After watching last season, I know I concluded that > about him.) > > > > So what was the lie? That he had health problems? That's well documented. > That the balancing act didn't seem to be working? It didn't. That he wanted > to spend more time with his family? Well, he did exactly that. He went to > dozens of his daughters' games and coached his son's team, so I don't think > that was a lie. Did he ever say he would never coach again? No. > > > > There are no lies here. There's just a guy who misses his chosen profession, > who spent a year watching from the outside while wishing he was on the > inside, and who may have been offered the top coaching job at his childhood > favorite team. Is it really that hard to understand that he might give it > another try? Personally, I'd rather have him at OSU than at Florida. I wish > him the best -- he gave us two MNCs, after all -- but I think he's broken > and will never be able to sustain, over the long run, the intensity that > made him great. He'll have a good couple of years there, and then the stress > will get to him again and they'll go through what we did. Or maybe not... > I'll be pleased if it works out for him, but I've moved on and am more > interested in how our coaches are going to do next year. (Ever the > optimist!) > > > > Rob > > > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > <http://www.gatornet.us/> > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > <http://www.gatornet.us/> > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > <http://www.gatornet.us/> > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > > > -- > Helen Huntley > (727) 823-3801 > www.helenhuntley.com > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
