Re: Fwd: g_b To the moderators...

Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:38:41 -0700

Hello,
 
Firstly I am Raahu and not Rahul.
 
I was sad when I noted Prakash clubbing me into the accusers/abusers bandwagon when what I had written was from my own experiences in chat rooms [ I still remember how in www.glimpse.com, one american [???] abused that we Indians wouldn't leave "cashmere" to Pakistan and many more.  When I realized how a faceless person in a far off country had the ability to shoot my blood pressure up, when I was cozily sitting in front of the pc in my house, I decided to get away from all these chat rooms from that day. 
 
My mail was just to warn people who read this forum that it would be detrimental for us to expect all gay men to be  goodie goodie.
 
When some-one is trying to throw filth at you, with great effort, please try to control your temper and then talk back nicely and understandingly and then you will realize how the other person will recoil and get ashamed of himself!!!  I have realized this trick [ with great effort ofcourse!] many a times when dealing with these faceless guys [ even in emails] who have the habit of "hit and run".
 
In fact when another member of this forum dissected Prakash's mail to do a Sherlock Holmes as if to prove as to what Prakash had written was all farce, I was amused as to how some people really do not try to understand the spirit and content of something written and go obliquely to prove one up of themselves. How varied this world is!
 
I quote my earlier mail again.
 
Sorry Prakash, you misunderstood me, but I don't feel guilty of using any abusive language! LOL!!!;-))
 
R
 
7.8.2005
 
My earlier mail:
 
*************************
 
Hello,
 
This shock comes to us when anyone abuses  and MORE SO when we enter into these chats etc. seeking basically a love based relationship [ ie. even if it is for sex].
 
I have experienced over a period of time both in predomininantly Indian as well as foreign sites many such guys and also guys exhibiting  varied forms of subtle  but significant  disregard for the other person as a human being.
 
It has made me understand  that after all even a gay individual is a human being and can exhibit the wide range of human idiosyncracies.
 
It will augur well for us if we realize this and not think that that every gay individual is humane, soft,  sensitive and loveable.
 
Crooks , ruffians and people with absolutely no conscience what so ever do exist here and it is imperative to keep this in mind and then proceed. But inspite of this, yes, you definitely could find your soul mate one day who could act as a balm for your existence.
 
R
 
4.8.2005



gaybombay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Anand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Aug 6, 2005 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: g_b To the moderators...
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Aditya, Abhay and Rahul -

Firstly, understand that the conversation I posted was of me messaging
"am_i_hot_or_r_u" again after a span of several months in order to
reacquaint myself with him. As I was doing with all the other names I
did not recognise on my Yahoo list. Yes, it happens you know... you
talk to someone just once and then forget who they are when you or
they do not show up for months at a time. It happens... One of you
mentioned that it was unfair of me to disclose his chat ID, well, I
posted what was in my chat window and in my chat window you see my
NAME not my ID. Period. If you wished to know my ID then why didn't
you simply ask for it? Here it is for all you who are so curious, I am
gratified to supply it! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am sorry that it irks you, but asl IS the fastest way to get the
most information about a person in the shortest possible time. Think
about it. I am sorry that all of you get bothered by being asked asl.
The thing is that you are not taking it in the right perspective. You
are being asked what your age is, your gender and where you are
located. Your age informations supplies the inquiring person with a
general background of your tastes and hobbies, your gender supplements
that and your location even further supplements the general picture
that has been painted. It is a sad fact that most people only use the
implied information to come to the conclusion that the supplier is
either fit or not fit to have sex with. Sad, but not everyone is that
way, and I for one do not ask that info simply to know if you are a
good knock in bed!

Now, for your information, in the first conversation (which happened
over several months ago) with this person HE ASKED ME FOR MY PICS
FIRST. I supplied him with them and THEN asked that he reciprocate. HE
DID NOT SEND ME HIS PICS. THAT WAS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT APPRECIATED!
And to set your false impressions to rest - I had sent him pics and
not turned on a cam for I HAVE NO CAM!!! After this fracas, for some
stupid reason or another he was in my Yahoo friend's list for all this
time. I have been offline for around four months or so and finally I
have come out of dormancy cause I finally have some time to spare.

Herein lies the dilemma and the crux of the matter. And yes, it is
best that someone as gentile as you should not dabble your pink toes
in the murky waters of this chat community! Oh no! I am sure you might
get dirt under your figuratively pedicured nails!...

You see, the question is, if you are going to chat to find people who
are savoury and good souls to meet and mingle with then you will by
NEEDS have to take the occasional risk of coming in contact with
UNSAVOURIES. I know that when people read this reply to your post they
will think "well now, why did Prakash give his photos in the first
place." I ask you all who wonder this, how could I not?

I am sure that those of us who have been chatting online for good span
of time know that there is a risk factor in chatting. My posting the
conversation had two purposes behind it - 1) to remind the community
that uncouth behaviour online is uncalled for and does hurt peoples
feelings (WHICH IS ETHICALLY WRONG - COMPRENDE?) and 2) to
make the ID of this person known so that other people who are as
gullible as me would not be conned into sending him their pics and
then being told they are UGLY! GOT IT?

I only had the courage to post this controversial post in the first
place after remembering the discussions of the entrapment issue. This
is on a much smaller scale but is still something that should be
noticed by the community. REALLY, is it necessary to call people ugly?

Now, to set the record straight, yes I KNOW THAT I SPAT OUT THE FIRST
GAALI!!! I KNOW that; you do not need to point it out. I lost my cool
because this fraud had taken advantage of me a long while ago by
acquiring my pics and not reciprocating. I did not remember that
incident until getting further into the conversation with him - about
the time that he told me "am_i_hot_or_r_u (2/08/2005 2:30:48 AM): abe
chutia what does Sid mean if not the name??" Here is another pointer
to you three - does it not strike you that my asking "Siddhartha?"
could possibly be me asking if this is my friend who's name IS
Siddhartha???? I THOUGHT THAT THIS GUY WAS MY FRIEND! Does that clear
things for you? I was NOT asking for a full name my dear boys, I was
asking if this was the Siddhartha that I knew quite well! Though as
the GAALIS further down pointed out, it obviously was NOT my friend!

Okay, now besides all that I've mentioned already, I've gone into the
recent archives of the group to see what other reactions there have
been to my post (I did not even know it was posted until a kind soul
emailed me his response directly). It seems that Aditya, Rahul and
Abhay all think that I exposed myself on cam. I did not. As I've
mentioned earlier in this reply, AM_I_HOT_OR_R_U got my pics from me
several months earlier. THIS is where I made a mistake - when he
refused to reciprocate WAY BACK THEN is when I should have put him
into my ignore list, which is where he is now. GOT IT FELLAS???

FINALLY, the conversation is NOT tampered with, I pasted it directly
from the chat window into the post. I did request that the moderators
edit it if they saw it fit to or necessary, it seems they did not
think it would be. The descrepency that you see in the posted
conversation is AM_I_HOT_OR_R_U'S PASTING ME A SECTION OF MY FIRST
CONVERSATION WITH HIM FROM HIS YAHOO MESSENGER ARCHIVE. That is what
you see and what you accuse me of tampering with. Of all the things I
might hear when posting this conversation Tintirin's and Rahul's
accusations of me tampering with the post are the most preposterous
and unlikely responses imaginable. I am sure AM_I_HOT_OR_R_U is
laughing his pants off just remembering this post if he has read the
chain....

Talk about bali ka bakra type scenarios... eh?

Anyhow... I am gonna keep my eyes on the groups for a few days to
respond to anything that anyone wants to ask me. That is, if they want
to ask as opposed to blindly writting the mistruth that pops into
their inquisitive minds.

Yours most incredulously,
Prakash




--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "Aditya Bondyopadhyay"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...wrote:
Dear Prakash,

Read the cut paste of the chat. You were rude and obnoxious and
insistent
and the other person was right all along and only after you got
literally
crawling up his ass he called you a chutia madarchod.

Well I do not chat and I do not think I shall start anytime soon. But
if I
do and if someone like you starts to chat with me and then asks me who
I am
and insists on knowing my full name even though I do not want to
reveal it
and then gets into a fights, and after all that is desperate enough to
show
me his nanga photos on webcam just to pressure me to show him my cam,
I
suppose I shall call him a CHUTIA as well..

Gist of the story: Get a grip on yourself. The world does not exist to
suit
your convenience. Learn to respect its norms, including chat
etiquettes, and
if you do not, don't expect returns.

Aditya B







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