Are you still responding to me? Your response reads like a thinly veiled threat. Angry friends on a jihad? Sounds serious.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 7:14 PM Christopher Dimech <dim...@gmx.com> wrote: > > I have some friends in this movement who have been getting rather angry > recently. There is a lot of anger in the world, > in fact, in politics. Our political movement is not the only one > suffering from anger at the moment. But some of my angry > friends, have come to the conclusion that they’re on a jihad for free > software. > > That way won’t work. If a campaign of coercive compliance is carried just > a moment too far, willingness to use free > software among rational people will decline to a point which is dangerous > to freedom. > > --------------------- > Christopher Dimech > General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) > - Geophysical Simulation > - Geological Subsurface Mapping > - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation > - Natural Resource Exploration and Production > - Free Software Advocacy > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:55 AM > *From:* "Andrew Sutton" <asutton.l...@gmail.com> > *To:* "Christopher Dimech" <dim...@gmx.com> > *Cc:* "Joseph Myers" <jos...@codesourcery.com>, "GCC Development" < > gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, "Nathan Sidwell" <nat...@acm.org> > *Subject:* Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee > Sorry for the confusion, but was this response directed to me? It seems > entirely unrelated to what I wrote. > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 5:35 PM Christopher Dimech <dim...@gmx.com> wrote: > >> >> Seriously. When you want something to happen within society, it is >> complex. Just >> because you want to push something - an ideology - you chant about it >> every day, >> does not mean things will go your way. >> >> Perhaps you can start donating money to Antifa! >> >> >> >> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:09 AM >> *From:* "Andrew Sutton" <asutton.l...@gmail.com> >> *To:* "Christopher Dimech" <dim...@gmx.com> >> *Cc:* "Joseph Myers" <jos...@codesourcery.com>, "GCC Development" < >> gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, "Nathan Sidwell" <nat...@acm.org> >> *Subject:* Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee >> I guess I'll add my two cents. It seems everyone else is... >> >> I'm not a maintainer or frequent contributor, but I did implement >> concepts for C++, and I'd like to continue contributing, time permitting. >> My company (as in, I own it) also does some work on GCC, implementing new >> and experimental features like contracts, which we intend to upstream, >> pending review. Some modules-related stuff too (I hope). >> >> Maybe my response is a little different because I'm writing as a business >> owner and not a contributor. >> >> </bona-fides> >> >> I understand that RMS is not actually on the steering committee and not >> an active contributor, and the SC web page should be updated to reflect >> that if it hasn't already. >> >> I agree with Nathan. >> >> The SC needs to be forward-looking --- you can't steer effectively if >> you're always looking in the rear-view mirror. My understanding is that GCC >> put RMS behind it a long time ago. And for the better. >> >> Part of the SC's job is (or should be) considering recruitment and >> retention for this community, including corporate participation. This idea >> that we have to somehow revere a person who has managed to make himself >> controversial for reasons entirely unrelated to his ideology on free >> software actively works against both of those goals. >> >> Undeniably so. If RMS were actually in the SC, I would have serious >> reservations about committing my employees time to this community. His >> documented behavior readily violates my company's code of conduct. At best, >> I'd risk burn out employees in a toxic environment. At worst, I could end >> up as a defendant in a sexual harassment case. And this 100% not hyperbole. >> >> (Thanks to everyone who makes GCC a good community to participate in.) >> >> I think it's perfectly reasonable for GCC to acknowledge RMS' past >> contributions, both ideological and code-wise, but it's time to move on. >> Nothing good comes from lionizing a man who purportedly asked teenage girls >> to eat candy out of his hand. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 2:14 PM Christopher Dimech via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:45 AM >>> > From: "Joseph Myers" <jos...@codesourcery.com> >>> > To: "JeanHeyd Meneide" <phdoftheho...@gmail.com> >>> > Cc: "GCC Development" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, "Nathan Sidwell" < >>> nat...@acm.org> >>> > Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee >>> > >>> > On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, JeanHeyd Meneide via Gcc wrote: >>> > >>> > > So, it boils down to this for me: either GCC is a place where >>> all >>> > > contributions are welcome, or GCC is a place of hypocrisy, where >>> > > contributions are welcome except when Stallman (or someone else in a >>> > > position of power) lobbies a non-technical, non-factual argument >>> > > against you and jumps from their high tower to slam down on >>> > > rank-and-file contributors and participants. You cannot have it both >>> > > ways. >>> > >>> > All contributions are welcome. One of the key functions of the SC is >>> > actually saying no to RMS. >>> > >>> > Central FSF or GNU project infrastructure is not used in developing >>> GCC; >>> > gcc.gnu.org is entirely independent of central FSF or GNU >>> infrastructure >>> > such as savannah. So RMS has no control over policies applied to GCC >>> > mailing lists, and any influence he might apply to the moderation of >>> lists >>> > hosted on lists.gnu.org does not apply here. (Although GCC releases >>> are >>> > uploaded to ftp.gnu.org, which is central GNU infrastructure, they are >>> > also available at https://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/releases/ .) He has an >>> > ordinary restricted user account on gcc.gnu.org giving the same >>> access to >>> > push commits as most committers; he does not have shell or >>> administrative >>> > access. >>> >>> People are inflating the power or control he actually has. I have to say >>> that at no time has Stallman dictated on any of my work. Unlike the >>> animosity >>> that has been demonstrated by Ludovic Courtès in October 2019, by sending >>> a message disguised to look like an official Gnu Directive to Gnu >>> Maintainers. >>> A fashionable tool for excommunicating those he find problematic due to >>> their >>> pesky different points of view. >>> >>> > -- >>> > Joseph S. Myers >>> > jos...@codesourcery.com >>> > >> >>
