I agree with the significance gdal2tiles. I've used on numerous occasions and it would a shame to lose it.
On a side note the multitreaded patch [0] was submitted 3 years ago, and stilll wasn't merged in official channel. [0] http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/ticket/4379 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Angelos Tzotsos <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Even, > > > On 02/13/2015 02:05 PM, Even Rouault wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> (adding gdal-dev in CC as it is of interest) >> >> As far as I understand (but I may be wrong as I haven't looked deeply at >> the >> code), maptiler (the open source project) consists of an improved >> gdal2tiles.py + a python gui. >> The duplication between gdal2tiles.py in maptiler and GDAL isn't something >> particularly great. Ideally there should be one single version maintained >> in >> the OSGeo ecosystem. >> >> So there are several possibilities I can imagine : >> >> 1) Merge maptiler's gdal2tiles enhancements into GDAL version, and make >> maptiler just a GUI over it >> >> 2) Merge maptiler's gdal2tiles enhancements into GDAL version, and also >> import >> the GUI (I think it is lightweight) if there's no too strong build >> complications involved for GDAL. Would have to be checked >> >> 3) Remove gdal2tiles from GDAL so that the reborne maptiler is the >> reference. >> But there are perhaps fixes in GDAL gdal2tiles that should be merged into >> maptiler one (Python3 compatibility comes to mind) >> >> Any option would need someone to champion it of course... > > > IMO, the third option should not be considered at all, since gdal2tiles is > very important tool in gdal and many people (including me) prefer the script > from any GUI out there. I have also seen an improved version of this script > dealing with multiple threads. > > My preference would be option 1. > > Just my 2c :) > >> Even >> >> >>> Hi Eli, replying to your email, CC OSGeo-Live list (with your >>> permission). >>> >>> I agree that we don't want to be promoting a proprietary product from an >>> Open Source page. >>> >>> I suspect Angelos' subsequent email partially addresses your suggestions: >>> >>> On 13/02/2015 10:47 am, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: >>>> >>>> We have also discussed that in order to remove the project, we request >>>> that there is an official source code repository to link to. This way >>>> we can prove that the project was open source and can be forked in the >>>> future. Unfortunately the main repository of the project was recently >>>> deleted. >>>> Without this, one can have the impression that OSGeoLive and OSGeo has >>>> endorsed and distributed proprietary software. >>>> >>>> Also we plan to introduce IceTiler in the next version of OSGeoLive. >>> >>> For this OSGeo-Live release we will do what we can achieve within the >>> time available. >>> >>> On 13/02/2015 11:58 am, Eli Adam wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Cameron, >>>> >>>> I know that timeline is as big of a challenge as anything else in this >>>> case. I have a marketing/presentation question for you below. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Cameron Shorter >>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Petr, OSGeo-Live team, OSGeo Board, >>>>> Is our OSGeoLive meeting, we discussed retiring of MapTiler from >>>>> OSGeoLive. CCing OSGeo Board in discussion, in case the board wish to >>>>> comment. >>>>> >>>>> Summary: >>>>> * MapTiler was Open Source, and was included in prior OSGeo-Live >>>>> distributions >>>>> * Petr, the author, found the Open Source business model was not >>>>> working >>>>> for him, and has since moved future enhancements to a proprietary >>>>> model. * The "maptiler" brand name now points to a URL of a proprietary >>>>> product. * Petr has requested MapTiler be removed from OSGeo-Live. >>>>> * As far as I've noticed, while there has been some disappointment to >>>>> loose MapTiler as an Open Source project, we respect Petr's right to >>>>> continue development using whatever model works for him. We are now >>>>> working out how to cleanly transition. >>>>> >>>>> Of note: >>>>> * We have prior OSGeo-Live releases and documentation which reference >>>>> the previous Open Source Maptiler. >>>>> * OSGeo-Live wish to retain our reputation of promoting Open Source >>>>> products, both now, and in the past. >>>>> >>>>> Proposal for our imminent OSGeo-Live 8.5 release: >>>>> * OSGeoLive will add a statement to our contents page [1] stating: >>>>> "Maptiler: not included after OSGeo-Live 8.0, after project moved to >>>>> proprietary business model" >>> >>> On 13/02/2015 11:58 am, Eli Adam wrote: >>>> >>>> This seems odd to reference proprietary software at all. The contents >>>> page [1] is a wonderful showcase of *open source* software. Why >>>> include an advertisement to go look for a proprietary software that >>>> started as open source? Linking to the last open source code with no >>>> name makes more sense to me (I know that isn't possible unless we put >>>> the code somewhere). Or linking to http://gdal.org/gdal2tiles.html >>>> which has some similar functionality and common ancestry. Looks like >>>> maybe licenses have varied in different points in time from different >>>> sources too. On the short timeline, there is no fork and no name to >>>> link to yet. If there were a fork and name would you list and link >>>> that? If so would you list or link "MapTiler" too? >>>> >>>> You could link (or save all the information from), >>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20131216172514/http://www.maptiler.org/ >>>> The Google Code SVN repo is also accessible through that method. It >>>> appears that google code svn still works, for instance, svn checkout >>>> http://maptiler.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ maptiler-read-only >>>> >>>> I'm sure that you'll work it out fine but just wanted you to think >>>> about the appearance of that list of *open source* software. How do >>>> you want the main list of open source geo software to appear? I think >>>> that should be the primary purpose (and fits with the OSGeo Live >>>> project goals). >>>> >>>> Best regards, Eli >>>> >>>>> * The Maptiler Project Overview [2] will be updated to explain that >>>>> MapTiler was Open Source, but future developments were proprietary. The >>>>> Overview will reference the last Open Source version of software >>>>> available. >>>>> * The Maptiler Quickstart will be removed from docs, (but still >>>>> available in subversion) >>>>> * The maptiler installer will be disabled so MapTiler will not be >>>>> distributed on OSGeo-Live. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone has objections or comments, please raise them within 48 hours >>>>> (15 Feb 2015) such that we can address them before our release. >>>>> >>>>> Most (not all) of the history on this conversation has been copied >>>>> below. >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html >>>>> [2] http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/maptiler_overview.html >>>>> >>>>> On 13/02/2015 4:29 am, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I definitely agree here with Howard. >>>>> >>>>> Since Maptiler has been included in OSGeoLive for 5 years now, and Petr >>>>> has agreed to follow the OSGeoLive license for his contribution, there >>>>> has to be some kind of lineage about this project online. It cannot >>>>> just disappear. People would think that OSGeo endorced non-free >>>>> software in the past, which is not acceptable in my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> We need an "official" public repository including the last version of >>>>> the open source code to link to. We should then link to that in our >>>>> documents (even if the project is removed). Cameron has already moved >>>>> the documents in the "retired" area. >>>>> >>>>> I agree that the Maptiler name has to be removed from OSGeoLive in >>>>> future versions. But, the request for removal came much after our >>>>> official 8.5 code freeze, so I am against removing stuff from 8.5 >>>>> especially 10 days before release. >>>>> I propose we keep the installer for 8.5 (unless Petr provides a new deb >>>>> version with a new name). >>>>> I also propose to remove the Maptiler documents completely for this >>>>> release. >>>>> >>>>> Then, as Johan suggested we can fork Maptiler as Icetiler for the next >>>>> OSGeoLive 9.0 release and restore the docs. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Angelos >>>>> >>>>> PS. I also want to thank Petr for his work on Maptiler, it is much >>>>> appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> On 02/09/2015 11:46 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> First of all I would like to thank Petr for his work on Maptiler. He >>>>> has actually spent a lot of unpaid time to develop a tool which is >>>>> useful for many users. >>>>> Earning a living from open-source is hard - as most people who have >>>>> tried will be able to tell you. >>>>> >>>>> Second I would like to point out that a project that has many users >>>>> and little contributors is not necessarily unsuccessful. If your tool >>>>> is working well, it may not scratch a developers itch[1]. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, it seems that by retiring from OsGeo live you did hit many >>>>> developers itch, so it seems this may actually be a rebirth of the >>>>> project. >>>>> >>>>> I think that the request of Petr is fair: the code remains free (which >>>>> it should, because there can be many derived works), but he just >>>>> requests not to use the name and logo. This leaves room for other >>>>> developers to jump in and create a new version. Yesterday on IRC, I >>>>> proposed the name "IceTiler" as an alternative, based on the >>>>> rebranding done by debian for many mozilla projects [2]. Other >>>>> suggestions are welcome :-) >>>>> >>>>> Taking all into account I'm +1 on removing this project from OsGeo >>>>> live in the current form, but I think we could have "IceTiler" in a >>>>> next release if there is sufficient interest. >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Johan >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar >>>>> [2] >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_t >>>>> he_Debian_project _______________________________________________ >>>>> Live-demo mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo >>>>> http://live.osgeo.org >>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/02/2015 12:09 pm, Jody Garnett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Trademarks is one of those issues we tend to handle off-list with >>>>> mentor >>>>> and project leadership (and/or the board if required). >>>>> >>>>> In this case the author and trademark owner in one in the same (and has >>>>> a fairly clear request). >>>>> >>>>> My limited understanding is the board will need to care about >>>>> trademarks >>>>> in source code that has been contributed to OSGe (which is not a >>>>> requirement of participation). I expect they will only need to care in >>>>> the US (since that is where the organization is based) but that is up >>>>> to legal council, IANAL etc... >>>>> >>>>> It is relatively common for open source projects to be renamed due to >>>>> TM >>>>> conflict. This is a service a software foundation can provide, apache >>>>> has strict management of trademarks, eclipse does a trademark check >>>>> prior to accepting a project into incubation etc... But it is not clear >>>>> cut - Debian for example refuses to include firefox as that name is >>>>> trademarked (and not "free" and reusable ), >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jody Garnett >>>>> >>>>> On 7 February 2015 at 17:03, Even Rouault <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> (adding incubator@ as it is both of interest I think for OSGeo-Live & >>>>>> incubator) >>>>>> >>>>>> I will not argue about this particular case, but this does raise an >>>>>> interesting question about how we should handle trademark issues >>>>>> (perhaps this >>>>>> has been discussed in the past, so sorry if I come after the battle) >>>>>> >>>>>> The OSGeo incubation application questionnaire >>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/application.html mentions: >>>>>> "Is the code free of patents, trademarks, and do you control the >>>>>> copyright? " >>>>>> >>>>>> It does not address clearly the issue of trademark of the *name of the >>>>>> project* (it mentions just the *code*). >>>>>> I'm not sure if there should be a policy regarding ownership of the >>>>>> trademark >>>>>> of the name of a project, but at least it could be asked if there's a >>>>>> trademark on the name, and who owns it (and in which countries...) ? >>>>>> As >>>>>> the >>>>>> below example shows, this can have impact on the future of the >>>>>> project. >>>>>> But >>>>>> this is likely complex. >>>>>> - What if someone from a random country comes and says "eh this >>>>>> project >>>>>> conflicts with my trademark in Foobarland" ? Which countries should >>>>>> OSGeo care >>>>>> about ? Or perhaps this is too complex and the only real answer to >>>>>> those questions is when you are assigned to a court ;-) >>>>>> - And even if the trademark is owned by someone/an entity which is >>>>>> strongly >>>>>> related to the project, things can evolve over time. So shouldn't the >>>>>> trademark be transfered to OSGeo control to guarantee fairness of use >>>>>> ? >>>>>> But >>>>>> that would mean that OSGeo would have to pay the costs of >>>>>> registration. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the record, I did the exercice of quick searching which OSGeo >>>>>> projects are >>>>>> trademarked in France ( http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/ ) and it *seems* >>>>>> (only a >>>>>> search by a specialist in I.P would confirm it) that only QGIS and >>>>>> GeoMajas are >>>>>> (and both have E.U. wide validity). (There are unrelated matches for >>>>>> Geotools, >>>>>> Marble and OSSIM). OSGeo itself isn't trademarked. And apparently >>>>>> MapTiler neither. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the incubating projects, gvSIG is trademarked (E.U wide). Unrelated >>>>>> matches >>>>>> for "the zoo project" and OTB. Rasdaman is registered in Germany. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everybody, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me clarify the situation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - The original MapTiler (python + wxWidgets) is discontinued and >>>>>>> unfortunately it failed as an open-source project in my eyes. The >>>>>>> software >>>>>>> attracted quite a lot of end users, but no 3rd party developers. >>>>>>> There >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> not a single commit from any third-party ever to the MapTiler project >>>>>>> code >>>>>>> itself, probably because the graphical utility was used mostly by >>>>>>> non-programmers. The otherwise great project stalled for some time. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> not seen how to move it forward without any financial support, while >>>>>>> not being a student anymore - and it made me really sad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Since 2011, I work with my team on a completely new implementation >>>>>>> of an >>>>>>> efficient tiling utility, the new MapTiler usable both from the >>>>>>> command-line as well as from the graphical user interface, written in >>>>>>> C++ >>>>>>> and QT. It is significantly faster, merges multiple files in >>>>>>> different >>>>>>> srs, >>>>>>> handles correctly dateline crossing and world maps, tiles in >>>>>>> non-mercator >>>>>>> grids, it directly produces small and optimized jpg and pngs, it is >>>>>>> compatible with OGC WMTS, contains uploader to Amazon S3 and Google >>>>>>> Cloud >>>>>>> Storage, supports different layers on different zoom levels (see >>>>>>> http://goo.gl/TCrGtQ and other tutorials), and it comes with many >>>>>>> other new >>>>>>> features, with installers, regular updates, support and maintenance. >>>>>>> It runs on Win/Lin/Mac - see http://www.maptiler.com/ for more >>>>>>> information. With my colleagues we are trying to do our job as good >>>>>>> as we can. It is a complete rewrite of the original utility, fixing >>>>>>> design flaws and >>>>>>> implementation issues of both GDAL2Tiles and original MapTiler. To be >>>>>>> able >>>>>>> to support the utility and to work on new features we ask for a >>>>>>> license fee. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - There was no financial support from Google Summer of Code nor from >>>>>>> OSGeo >>>>>>> on the original MapTiler. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Both my Google SoC in 2007 and 2008 were on the GDAL2TIles >>>>>>> command-line >>>>>>> utility, lead by Howard. >>>>>>> My original GDAL2Tiles from 2007 is available at >>>>>>> http://www.klokan.cz/projects/gdal2tiles/ and the version from 2008 >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> distributed together with GDAL library, with patches and some fixes, >>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>> from Evan. >>>>>>> As Even pointed out - I started to work on the MapTiler during August >>>>>>> 2008, >>>>>>> after the second SoC. BRGM mentioned in the code of GDAL2Tiles.py >>>>>>> supported >>>>>>> improvements of GDAL2Tiles, not MapTiler project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - As the sole author of MapTiler and the owner of the MapTiler >>>>>>> trademark I >>>>>>> would like to request complete removal of the MapTiler from the OSGeo >>>>>>> LiveDVD. I have prepared the existing .deb package as well as >>>>>>> supplied >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quickstart and installation scripts to the svn about 5 years back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - If anybody is interested to revive my original open-source project >>>>>>> published under an open-source license, he is welcomed to do that - >>>>>>> under >>>>>>> the conditions of the original license, while preserving the original >>>>>>> copyright notice, and under the condition his fork of the project is >>>>>>> not anymore called MapTiler and does not use original graphical >>>>>>> elements and desktop icon of the original application. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - The existence of the two projects of the same name is confusing the >>>>>>> people and I want to avoid it. I hope you respect my decision. The >>>>>>> old >>>>>>> MapTiler is dead, long live the MapTiler! ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - I continue to work on several other open-source projects and with >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> team >>>>>>> I keep developing, contributing and improving on OL3Cesium, >>>>>>> OpenLayers >>>>>>> V3, >>>>>>> WebGL Earth, EPSG.io, IIPImage, GDAL and other projects. See our >>>>>>> github and >>>>>>> blog for details: http://www.klokantech.com/. >>>>>>> Open-source is indeed very powerful and viable on components and I >>>>>>> can't imagine to live without it. Still, there are situations, where >>>>>>> it is simply >>>>>>> not applicable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am proud to be part of OSGeo and I am keen to continue to >>>>>>> contribute >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the community in future. I admire and honor people like Frank or Evan >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> others. You have my true respect for what you do and what you have >>>>>>> achieved! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Petr Pridal, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Klokan Technologies GmbH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S. >>>>>>> If anybody is interested in even more background of the evolution of >>>>>>> MapTiler you can read: >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/maptiler/r9Xa8S_S4Z8/7pJoqKR1MM0J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Cameron Shorter >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've had a request from the MapTiler project to have it removed from >>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've raised a ticket: >>>>>>>> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1467 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll look after updating the docs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Cameron Shorter, >>>>>>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager >>>>>>>> LISAsoft >>>>>>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, >>>>>>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Live-demo mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo >>>>>>>> http://live.osgeo.org >>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Spatialys - Geospatial professional services >>>>>> http://www.spatialys.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Incubator mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Incubator mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cameron Shorter, >>>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager >>>>> LISAsoft >>>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, >>>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 >>>>> >>>>> P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Board mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > -- > Angelos Tzotsos > Remote Sensing Laboratory > National Technical University of Athens > http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos > > > _______________________________________________ > gdal-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev _______________________________________________ gdal-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev
