Mike,

Keep up the vitamins, I doubt your misting method was the problem,
spraying plants provides good drinking areas.

Neil



Well I figured it out. The geckos sleep head down and what ends up happening
is the water from the leaves of the plants above them falls on them. The
water travels down their backs and ends at their heads where it collects. So
I've switched up the spraying so that I spray the ground directly rather
than the leaves and plants. Things seem to be okay now (unless it's just the
vitamin E that is clearing things up).

Thanks for all the help.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "maleldil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [gecko]head infection in U. phantasticus


> >> >This is a long post but I hope someone can help lead me on the
right
 > >path. I
 > >>  >have a number of U. phantasticus/ebenaui in 3 separate vivaria. In
an
 > >effort
 > >>  >to experiment with the amount of spraying actually needed, I
stopped
 > >>  >spraying as frequently. This weekend I noticed that one male had a
 shiny
 > >>  >spot on his head that wasn't going away. I thought it was just
water
 but
 > >I
 > >  > >noticed the spot every time I spray the viv. Since the viv was now
 "dry"
 > >  > >there was no reason a droplet should have stayed on his head so I
 took
 > >him
 > >>  >out and there was a hole! It was like the tissue was receding at
that
 > >spot.
 > >>  >I took him to the vet and the vet told me it was a physical injury
 (also
 > >>  >implying the injury looks like a burn from a bulb which is
absolutely
 > >>  >impossible). I suppose this is possible but very unlikely. He
 prescribed
 > >>  >betadine for me to daub on the gecko's head. I decided to take a
look
 at
 > >the
 > >>  >other geckos and lo and behold, all the males (3 in total) have
some
 form
 > >of
 > >>  >"shiny" growing there. It's not significant but I think it's there.
 Two
 > >of
 > >>  >these males have only been with me for less than 2 weeks. However,
 the
 > >>  >female in this group does not have the shiny beginnings of this
 injury.
 > >>  >Also, this "injury" does not exist in the other viv containing the
 other
 > >2
 > >>  >young phants and 2 young ebens, nor does it exist in the quarantine
 of 2
 > >>  >other ebens.
 > >>  >
 > >>  >So here is the scenario: the vivs are split into - viv#1) 3 adult
 males,
 > >1
 > >>  >adult female (she laid infertile eggs) and viv#2) 1.1 young phants,
 1.1
 > >>  >young ebens. Viv 1 is less "planted", viv 2 is very well planted
 because
 > >it
 > >>  >has the youngsters in it.
 > >>  >
 > >>  >This is what I think the possibilities are.
 > >>  >1) In viv 1, the males fight and bite each other. This isn't
occuring
 in
 > >viv
 > >>  >2 because they are all young. This seems far-fetched.
 > >>  >2) Because viv 1 is less planted, when I spray the viv, water gets
on
 the
 > >>  >animals and starts to rot their heads. But this doesn't explain why
 the
 > >>  >female doesn't have the infection. In viv 2 the geckos are always
 > >"hidden"
 > >>  >from water because they are small and always in the leaves.
 > >>  >3) The geckos are infected with something and it's just a matter of
 time
 > >>  >before it gets the female (or she is just stronger than the males).
 > >>  >4) Crickets bit them.
 > >>  >
 > >>  >There is something ill at work here. I don't understand why even
new
 > >geckos
 > >>  >are getting this. I really think it's the spraying but does anyone
 have
 > >any
 > >>  >other ideas? I included a pic so you can see the injury. (The pic
 makes
 > >it
 > >>  >look a LOT worse than really it is.)
 > >>  >
 > >>  >Thanks for any help,
 > >>  >
 > >>  >Mike
 > >>  >
 > >>  >
 > >>  >Attachment converted: Neil's HD:injury.jpg (JPEG/ogle) (000B75BC)
 > >>
 > >>
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