the evidence is alternate fact in the mind of a president with schizophrenia 
disorder.  

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Date: 11 April 2017 at 18:38
Subject:  Rand Paul Wants to See Evidence of Syrian Chemical Strike | LifeZette
 
 

  
 While the American military subjected Syria to bombardment by dozens of 
Tomahawk cruise missiles, its most important ally, the US media, subjected the 
American population to its own bombardment—nonstop propaganda claiming that the 
Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad is guilty of using nerve gas on 
its own population.  There has been no investigation on the ground to 
substantiate the claims by Syrian rebel groups, mainly affiliated with Al 
Qaeda, that 70 people died from the use of chemical weapons in the town of Khan 
Sheikhoun in Idlib province. Video footage and photographs, which are easily 
manipulated or faked, have served in the place of evidence
 There has been no serious media examination of the evidence around the Idlib 
gas attack, in part because there is no evidence to present. The Russian 
counterclaim that Syrian warplanes struck an Al Qaeda nerve gas factory has 
been dismissed out of hand, although the Al Qaeda affiliate in Syria, the group 
formerly named the al-Nusra Front, is known to possess such facilities and to 
have used such weapons.
 Another problem with the Assad gas attack narrative is that the US government, 
along with Russia and the United Nations, supervised the destruction of Syria’s 
stockpile of banned chemical weapons in 2013-2014, under an agreement brokered 
by Russian President Vladimir Putin to call off a previous planned US missile 
strike on Syria, under the Obama administration.
 US intelligence agencies repeatedly certified that Syria’s chemical weapons 
stocks had been destroyed, and that the Assad regime was adhering to the 
Putin-Obama agreement. Now these same intelligence agencies claim that the 
Assad regime has made use of the same nerve gas weapons that were supposedly 
trucked out of Syria, loaded onto ships, and destroyed under US supervision.
 Then there is the bothersome question of what could have motivated the regime 
of Bashar al-Assad, at a time when it has largely completed the military rout 
of the US-backed “rebels,” to give Washington a pretext for intervention by 
suddenly and gratuitously dropping a nerve gas bomb on Khan Sheikhoun, a town 
of no military significance.
 Moreover, Paul Craig Roberts has also said that:
 Indeed, one reason for the rush to war is to prevent the UN inspection that 
Washington knows would disprove its claim and possibly implicate Washington in 
the false flag attack by the “rebels,” who assembled a large number of children 
into one area to be chemically murdered with the blame pinned by Washington on 
the Syrian government…………………………………………………… ……………………………………………………………………………… 
………………………………………………………………..
 The Syrian government, knowing that it is not responsible for the chemical 
weapons incident, has agreed for the UN to send in chemical inspectors to 
determine the substance used and the method of delivery. However, Washington 
has declared 
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/08/25/obama-administration-accepts-rebels-account-on-syria-prepares-for-war/%20See%20also%20http:/news.antiwar.com/2013/08/25/syria-accepts-un-inspectors-us-spurns-call-as-too-late/
 that it is “too late” for UN inspectors and that Washington accepts the 
self-serving claim of the al Qaeda affiliated “rebels” that the Syrian 
government attacked civilians with chemical weapons. 
 In an attempt to prevent the UN chemical inspectors who arrived on the scene 
from doing their work, the inspectors were fired upon by snipers in “rebel” 
held territory and forced off site, although a later report from RT says 
http://rt.com/news/un-chemical-oservers-shot-000/ the inspectors have returned 
to the site to conduct their inspection. ………...
 The war criminals in Washington and other Western capitals are determined to 
maintain their lie that the Syrian government used chemical weapons. Having 
failed in efforts to intimidate the UN chemical inspectors in Syria, Washington 
has demanded that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon withdraw the chemical 
weapons inspectors before they can assess the evidence and make their report. 
The UN Secretary General stood up to the Washington war criminals and rejected 
their demand.
 https://www.newsbud.com/2013/ 08/26/syria-another-western- 
war-crime-in-the-making/ 
https://www.newsbud.com/2013/08/26/syria-another-western-war-crime-in-the-making/
  
 Should it is true that Bashar Al Assad regime has attacked the children with 
chemical weapon than why did the US government objected the investigation of 
the United Nations to find the truth?  Why did the US government requested Ban 
Ki Moon to withdraw the chemical weapons inspectors to do their job?  What did 
the US government would like to conceal?  Why did the US government get afraid 
should the UN’s chemical weapons inspectors find the truth?  Should Assad 
regime has really attacked the children with chemical weapons, then why did 
they have agreed for the UN to send in chemical inspectors for invesigation?  
Siang, could you put forward a logical answers to these questions as a logical 
reason for the said high level of confidence that the attack was done on the 
direction of Bashar Al Assad, and accordingly that is not just a blind 
suspicion?
  
 

  
  
  
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Evidence of Syrian Chemical Strike | LifeZette
 
 
  
 To me,  Assad did nt have any reason to throw the chemical bomb. BTW, some 
chemical guys believe that it was not Saran gas shown in the videos and 
pictures. The reason is if it were nerve gas as suspected, none of the 
emergency responder could survive.
 Anyway, I hope it is something just like a "bomb tweet" to call attention to 
start a deal making process with Russia and Assad himself.
 JW
  
 
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 Subject: Re: [chinese-indonesian- discussion-group] Rand Paul Wants to See 
Evidence of Syrian Chemical Strike | LifeZette 
  
 
 
 Dear Friends, 
  
 
 I just noticed these on Google:
 
  
 
 http://dailycaller.com/2017/ 04/07/heres-the-pentagons- 
evidence-assad-used-chemical- weapons/ 
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/07/heres-the-pentagons-evidence-assad-used-chemical-weapons/
 
 
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/07/heres-the-pentagons-evidence-assad-used-chemical-weapons/
 
 Here’s The Pentagon’s Evidence Assad Used Chemical Weapons
 
 dailycaller.com http://dailycaller.com
 
 The Pentagon released a map Thursday that reportedly shows the flight pattern 
of a Syrian aircraft that dropped chemical weapons on civilians Tuesday. 
[caption id="attachment_5579811" align="ali
 
 
  
 
  
 
 “We have a very high level of confidence that the attacks were carried out by 
aircraft under the direction of the Bashar al-Assad regime, and we also have 
very high confidence that the attacks involved the use of sarin nerve gas,” 
U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told reporters Thursday.
 National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster similarly told reporters “our 
intelligence community in cooperation with our friends and partners and allies 
around the world collaborated to determine with a very high degree of 
confidence precisely where the location originated. And then, of course, the 
sorts of chemicals that were used in the attack.”
 “The regime will maintain the certain capacity to commit mass murder with 
chemical weapons, we think, beyond this particular airfield. But it was aimed 
at this particular airfield for a reason, because we could trace this murderous 
attack back to that facility,” he continued.
 
 Read more: http://dailycaller.com/ 2017/04/07/heres-the- 
pentagons-evidence-assad-used- chemical-weapons/# ixzz4dvKTCo2p 
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/07/heres-the-pentagons-evidence-assad-used-chemical-weapons/#ixzz4dvKTCo2p
 
 
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/07/heres-the-pentagons-evidence-assad-used-chemical-weapons/#ixzz4dvKTCo2p
 
 Here’s The Pentagon’s Evidence Assad Used Chemical Weapons
 
 dailycaller.com http://dailycaller.com
 
 The Pentagon released a map Thursday that reportedly shows the flight pattern 
of a Syrian aircraft that dropped chemical weapons on civilians Tuesday. 
[caption id="attachment_5579811" align="ali
 
 
 
 
 
 
 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/ 3286709/is-this-the-proof- 
syrian-butcher-bashar-al- assad-ordered-chemical- weapons-attack-on-syrian- 
women-and-children/ 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3286709/is-this-the-proof-syrian-butcher-bashar-al-assad-ordered-chemical-weapons-attack-on-syrian-women-and-children/
 
 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3286709/is-this-the-proof-syrian-butcher-bashar-al-assad-ordered-chemical-weapons-attack-on-syrian-women-and-children/
 
 Is this the proof Assad ordered chemical weapons attack on Syrian civilians?
 
 www.thesun.co.uk http://www.thesun.co.uk
 
 BASHAR al-Assad’s chemical arsenal was pictured in shocking images emerging 
from the airbase devastated by US air strikes, it is claimed. Pictures released 
by Russia news agencies show catast…
 
 
  
 
  
 
 BANG TO RIGHTS  
 Is this the proof Syrian butcher Bashar al-Assad ordered chemical weapons 
attack on Syrian women and children? Pictures from the Shayrat air field 
targeted by US missile strikes appear to show chemical weapons storage barrels
  
 https://www.theguardian.com/ world/2017/apr/06/postmortems- 
confirm-syria-chemical-attack- turkey-says 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/06/postmortems-confirm-syria-chemical-attack-turkey-says
 
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/06/postmortems-confirm-syria-chemical-attack-turkey-says
 
 Putin stands by Assad as firm evidence of chemical attack ...
 
 www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com
 
 Calls on Russia to restrain Syrian ally increase after Turkey says postmortems 
confirm uses of chemical weapons
 
 
  
  
  
  
 https://www.theguardian.com/ world/2017/apr/06/postmortems- 
confirm-syria-chemical-attack- turkey-says 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/06/postmortems-confirm-syria-chemical-attack-turkey-says
 
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/06/postmortems-confirm-syria-chemical-attack-turkey-says
 
 Putin stands by Assad as firm evidence of chemical attack ...
 
 www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com
 
 Calls on Russia to restrain Syrian ally increase after Turkey says postmortems 
confirm uses of chemical weapons
 
 
  
  
 https://www.theguardian.com/ world/2017/apr/05/syria- 
chemical-weapons-attack-what- we-know-khan-sheikhun 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/05/syria-chemical-weapons-attack-what-we-know-khan-sheikhun
 
 Syria chemical weapons attack: what we know about deadly air raid
 
 www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com
 
 Experts say it is too early to say whether sarin or a mix of substances was 
used in the attack on rebel-held Khan Sheikhun
 
 
  
  
 Syrian government planes carried out a dawn raid on the rebel-held town of 
Khan Sheikhun on Tuesday morning. Following the airstrikes, residents reported 
whole families found dead in their beds, with victims and injured survivors 
showing symptoms that match poisoning by nerve agents.
  
 
 Médecins Sans Frontières, whose doctors treated some of the victims, said both 
a nerve agent and chlorine appeared to have been used 
http://www.msf.org/en/article/syria-khan-sheikhoun-victims-have-symptoms-consistent-exposure-chemical-substances.
 “Victims smelled of bleach, suggesting they had been exposed to chlorine,” the 
group said in a statement, after detailing symptoms of neurotoxins. “These 
reports strongly suggest that victims of the attack on Khan Sheikhun were 
exposed to at least two different chemical agents.”
 Russia has denied that Syria launched a chemical weapons attack. Does their 
argument have any credibility? Syria’s military has “categorically denied” 
responsibility for the attack. Russia, which is heavily backing the Assad 
government, said a Syrian government airstrike had hit a “terrorist warehouse” 
holding “toxic substances”.
 So an airstrike on a storage facility would be unlikely to release sarin 
itself. And because one of the two components is highly flammable isopropyl 
alcohol, or rubbing alcohol, you would expect a fireball, which has not been 
observed.
  
  
 Chemical weapons https://www.theguardian.com/world/chemical-weapons have 
helped Assad hold on to power during a long and brutal civil war, at the cost 
of immense civilian suffering. The fact that he has faced no real consequences 
for their use risks setting a dangerous precedent, with implications that carry 
far beyond Syria, weapons expert Guthrie said.
 “You would have expected the use of chemical weapons, as deployed by Assad in 
2013, would result in him being deposed by his own people or by the 
international community.
 “That hasn’t happened, so what is the disincentive for a dictator to think, 
‘This is a weapons system that might help me survive.’”
  
 Very sad....the only solution to stop this madness of killing is peace talk of 
a solid political solution in the Mid East.
 What do you think ??
 Siang
 
 
 
  
 On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Siang Tan <Siang@... mailto:Siang@...> wrote:
 Dear Friends,
 
  
 
 Interesting, but let's not draw any wild conclusion yet. 
 The spontaneous emotional presidential decision on the missile launch could be 
based on the wrong security information (just as Bush invasion of Iraq), 
however as Rand Paul (I personally like him as a politician) said, the 
evidences have not been disclosed yet.
 
  
 
 The oil pipe issue in Syria have been discussed repeatedly in our emails.
 
 The US will not go to war for oil as the US has plenty of oil on the US soil. 
and has plenty of national reserve
 
 The reason the US still imports oil is because the imported oil is cheaper 
than the domestic oil.
 
  
 
 Previous US presidents wanted to topple Assad  as he is considered the source 
of instability in the Mid East (which I doubt !!), however Trump seems not to 
want to topple Assad...which would make the Mid East problem less complicated.
 
  
 
 I am not sure that P. C. Roberts is a "jujur" politician as he is now more 
known as a professional  sensational news writer with many of his wild 
political interpretation to draw public attention.....it is very entertaining 
to read all his amazing politcal conclusions, which is not always followed by 
the general US public consensus.
 
  
 
 We all hoping that Trump does not escalate the North Korean problem by sending 
warships to the area.
 
 Trump should, as China suggested, talk to the North Koreans first, as he said 
he is willing to do.......let's all hope so for the world peace sake!!
 
  
 
 Salam,
 
 Siang
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
  
 2017-04-10 23:25 GMT-07:00 'Gillian Widjaja' via Chinese Indonesian Discussion 
Group <chindodiscuss@googlegroups. com mailto:chindodiscuss@...>:
 Ka Tjoen,
 
  
 
 Apa yang AS katakan adalah penghinaan terhadap kecerdasan manusia. Nanti jika 
PBB mau melakukan penelitian terhadap asal muasal itu senjata kimia yang baru 
saja dipergunakan di Syria, akan lebih gila lagi kalau AS mengeluarkan veto.....
 
 Hanya saja kalau diveto, owe rasa mereka akan kehilangan respek dan negara2 EU 
juga akan semakin menjauh dari kebijakan2 luar negeri AS. Dikatakan bahwa 
penyerangan terhadap pangkalan udara militer Syria, yang notabene bukan 
merupakan pangkalan aktif, adalah merupakan peringatan untuk RRT dalam 
kaitannya dengan pengembangan nuklir Korea Utara. Itulah mentalitas koboi yang 
tidak faham tentang sifat dan budaya bangsa Asia pada umumnya dan bangsa 
Tionghoa pada khususnya. Xi tidak akan berkomentar tetapi ia akan engambil 
sikap "anjing menggonggong, kafilah tetap berlalu".
 
  
 
 Salam,
 
 BTik
 
  
 
 
 From: Felix Fadjar Marta <fadjar@... mailto:fadjar@...>
 To: 'Tjoangie' <tjoangie@... mailto:tjoangie@...>; 'Gillian Widjaja' 
<gillianwidjaja@... mailto:gillianwidjaja@...> 
 Cc: chindodiscuss@... mailto:chindodiscuss@...
 Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:38 AM
 Subject: [chinese-indonesian- discussion-group] Rand Paul Wants to See 
Evidence of Syrian Chemical Strike | LifeZette
 
  
 Tjoangie & Bing Tik, Rand P:aul adalah seorang politisi yang jujur, sama 
seperti Paul Craig Roberts.  Dia pasti sudah tahu dan lebih penting lagi, tidak 
suka ber-pura2 tidak tahu.   Kalo Amerika memang kasi senjata kimia sama 
pemberontak untuk dengan sengaja membunuh dan mengorbankan anak2 yang tidak 
berdosa, se-mata2 untuk dituduhkan kepada razim Al Assad seperti yang dikatakan 
oleh Paul Craig Roberts, mana mungkin ada bukti bahwa Assad yang melakukan 
serangan.  Oleh karena itu Assad tidak berkeberatan agar PBB sebagai pihak yang 
netral melakukan investigasi.  Malahan yang justru keberatan adanya investigasi 
adalah Amerika sendiri dengan alasan sudah terlambat, dan minta Ban Ki Moon 
menghentikan usaha investigasi, tetapi ditolak.  Lalu team yang melakukan 
investigasi ditembaki. Pernyataan Ron Paul bahwa: “He’s either the dumbest 
dictator in the world, or it may be more confusing,” sudah menjawab apa yang 
dibingungkan oleh Bing Tik.  Lhaaa….Assad sebagai pihak yang menang mengapa 
perlu bikin busuk namanya dengan melakukan serangan kimia?  Jelas sekali tidak 
logis bukan? Pernyataan Rex Tillerson bahwa: regime change was not America’s 
goal. Adalah sangat mentertawakan karena ini adalah suatu kebohongan yang lain. 
 Dia p;ikir dunia gampang ditupu.  Sudah sangat jelas bahwa tujuan Amerika 
adalah penggantian rezim, karena Amerika mau install pipa gas, tapi Assad tidak 
kasi ijin, lalu apa aalsan Amerika membantu pemberontak dan ISIDS untuk melawan 
rezim Al Assad?
 
 Sekali lagi, apa yang dilakukan Amerika sekarang di Syria sudah semakin 
memperjelas bahwa politik luar negera Amerika yang berdasarkan kebohongan dan 
tipu muslihatnya tetap sama dan tidak berubah dari waktu ke waktu sehingga 
sangat gampang dibaca.
 
  
 
 Rand Paul Wants to See Evidence of Syrian Chemical Strike Kentucky senator 
says Intelligence Committee needs to review proof Assad ordered sarin attack by 
Brendan Kirby https://www.lifezette.com/author/brendankirby/ | Updated 07 Apr 
2017 at 11:51 AM 
 
 Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said on Friday that the Senate Intelligence Committee 
needs to review the evidence linking Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to a 
chemical-weapons attack that prompted Thursday night’s missile strike 
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/trump-strikes-syria-chemical-attack/ by the 
U.S.
 
 On the surface, Paul said, it makes no sense for Assad to use chemical 
weapons. He was winning the six-year-old civil war, had the support of Russian 
troops on the ground, and, just days earlier, received a public statement from 
U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson that regime change was not America’s goal.
 
  “He’s either the dumbest dictator in the world, or it may be more confusing,” 
Paul said on “The Laura Ingraham Show.”
 
 Paul, a longtime critic of U.S. military intervention in Middle East 
conflicts, made clear he is not peddling a conspiracy theory.
 
 “I would like to see the evidence … In all this rush, why don’t we at least 
look at the intelligence instead of getting somebody’s conclusion on TV 
second-hand from the president,” he said. “I don’t dispute the evidence,” he 
said. “I just haven’t seen it.”
 
  
 
 Salam,
 
  
 
 KT
 
  
 
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 Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 3:28 PM
 Subject: Syria: Trump May Just have Started World War III | Global Research - 
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 https://www.lifezette.com/ polizette/rand-paul-wants-see- 
evidence-syrian-chemical- strike/ 
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