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Trump business entanglements survive Indonesian mining scandal


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The Rachel Maddow Show, Transcript 1/2/2017


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The Rachel Maddow Show, Transcript 1/2/2017

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01/02/17 09:00 PM
Guests:Ed O`KeefeTranscript:
Show: THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW
Date: January 2, 2017
Guest: Ed O`Keefe

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Ari. I want to thank you in=C2=A0
particular for all you did to fill and hold things together last week. It=
=C2=A0
was great. Thank you, my friend.

ARI MELBER, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Great. Thank you. Happy New Year.

MADDOW: Thanks.

And thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour.

It was really nice to have a few days off. It is really, really nice to be=
=C2=A0
back. I keep running into old friends and family members and people on the=
=C2=A0
street and people like, you know, out on the dog walk and stuff. People=C2=
=A0
want to talk to me about politics. They say with concern in their eyes,=C2=
=A0
how are you feeling about 2017?

And I found myself by the end of my vacation saying, I`m really excited for=
=C2=A0
2017. I am. My job is to explain stuff. And oh, my God, is that a good=C2=
=A0
job to have this year already?

Case in point, this story is amazing. And it starts with copper, the=C2=A0
mineral copper. There`s copper in brass. There`s copper in bronze. The=C2=
=A0
Statue of Liberty is sheathed in a layer of copper. That`s about the=C2=A0
thickness of two pennies.

Pennies themselves used to be copper, but now they`re just copper-covered=
=C2=A0
zinc, which sort of seems sad. But it makes financial sense, because=C2=A0
copper over time became too valuable to use in something as cheap as a=C2=
=A0
penny, because most of what we use copper for now is conducting=C2=A0
electricity. We use copper for wiring. There is a massive global appetite=
=C2=A0
for copper.

And the world`s largest producer of copper is an American company. It`s a=
=C2=A0
company that used to be based in New Orleans but now the mining company=C2=
=A0
Freeport is based in Phoenix, Arizona. And the Freeport mining company of=
=C2=A0
Phoenix, Arizona, they do still mine copper in Arizona and they mine copper=
=C2=A0
in New Mexico and in Colorado. But they are a gigantic firm. And they`re=C2=
=A0
a global operation.

In South America, they mine copper in Chile, and in Peru. In the=C2=A0
Democratic Republic of Congo, they mine cooper and also cobalt. In=C2=A0
Indonesia, they operate the largest gold mine in the entire world, which is=
=C2=A0
also the third largest copper mine in the world, which is also a huge=C2=A0
silver mine as well.

This is an American company, but the physical footprint that Freeport has=
=C2=A0
in Indonesia, it isn`t just visible from space. It`s easily visible from=C2=
=A0
space. It`s massive. Their mine in Grasberg, which is in Papua province=C2=
=A0
in Indonesia, it`s basically a massive upside down mountain. It`s almost a=
=C2=A0
half million acres.

They first discovered mineral wealth there in the 1930s when it was a Dutch=
=C2=A0
colony. By the 1970s, Indonesia was an independent country and that mine=C2=
=A0
at Grasberg was one of the biggest open pits in the world.

Among the many products and byproducts of that mine are, of course, all=C2=
=A0
that silver and copper and gold. Also hundreds of millions of tons of=C2=A0
mining waste that they have dumped in the surrounding jungle and rivers.=C2=
=A0
That environmental damage associated with that giant mine is one of the=C2=
=A0
things that mine is most famous for around the globe.

But it is also unappreciably massive, both geographically and economically.=
=C2=A0
Freeport`s operation in Indonesia is so big, that in Indonesia that company=
=C2=A0
is the single biggest taxpayer for the whole country.

And it`s not like Indonesia is some rinky-dink country, right? Indonesia=C2=
=A0
has 260 million people. The biggest countries on earth by population are=C2=
=A0
China first, then India, then us, then Indonesia. Indonesia is ginormous.

But of all the 260 million people in Indonesia, its biggest tax payment=C2=
=A0
every year comes from Arizona, comes from this American company. It`s just=
=C2=A0
huge.

In our presidential election this past year, do you remember when Indonesia=
=C2=A0
had a weird little cameo role? It was in the Republican primary. It came=C2=
=A0
up. It was so strange, so unexpected, so not just inexplicable but=C2=A0
unexplained.

At the time and until now, it didn`t ever make sense until now. And I love=
=C2=A0
it when a story like, you know, doesn`t make sense for a year, and then all=
=C2=A0
of a sudden, it does. It rarely happens when you get it so clearly, like=C2=
=A0
light dawns on marble head, oh, that`s why that happened. But in this=C2=A0
case, light dawns on marble head, now we get it.

It started off strangely with no explanation. It was last September,=C2=A0
September 2015. So, that was just a few months into the start of the=C2=A0
Republican primary. The Donald Trump candidacy had started in June of=C2=A0
2015, and it was almost, honestly, treated as a joke from the beginning. I=
=C2=A0
mean, his supporters can crow about that now, and they do, but at the time=
=C2=A0
it was treated mostly as a joke.

And there were some funny things, some laughable things about the launch of=
=C2=A0
the Trump candidacy, up to and including reports that the candidate had to=
=C2=A0
hire extras, he literally had to pay actors to pretend to be his supporters=
=C2=A0
at his day one announcement at Trump Tower.

But however soft and even silly his candidacy seemed at the very start, it=
=C2=A0
caught fire for real very quickly, so much so that by the fall of 2015, the=
=C2=A0
Republican Party was already worrying openly about Donald Trump`s poll=C2=
=A0
numbers. He was definitely leading. And the were worried that even if one=
=C2=A0
of their more normal candidates could beat Trump to get the nomination,=C2=
=A0
they were worried that he was showing such support in the polls, maybe he=
=C2=A0
might bolt the Republican Party and run as a third party, an independent=C2=
=A0
candidate against whoever the Republican nominee was.

And so, in the fall of 2015, this was a real worry, real concern,=C2=A0
moderators at the debates, and then ultimately the party itself, they=C2=A0
started asking all the Republican candidates to make a pledge, to pledge=C2=
=A0
that they would support whoever the party ended up nominating. And there=C2=
=A0
was a little question as to whether the other candidates would really=C2=A0
pledge to definitely do that, because there was a chance that Donald Trump=
=C2=A0
might become the nominee and would they all be comfortable making that=C2=
=A0
pledge.

There was a little question about that, but mostly the Republicans were=C2=
=A0
worried about Trump himself. Would Trump make a pledge like that? Would=C2=
=A0
he really pledge, not just to not run as an independent, but to=C2=A0
wholeheartedly support whoever the Republican nominee was, even if it was=
=C2=A0
somebody like Low Energy Jeb Bush or Lyin` Ted or Little Marco?

I mean, the Republican Party was very worried about that, because initially=
=C2=A0
the answer from Trump was that he would make no such pledge.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DEBATE MODERATOR: Is there anyone onstage, and can I see hands, who is=C2=
=A0
unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the=C2=
=A0
Republican Party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that=
=C2=A0
person? Again, we`re looking for you to raise your hand now. Raise your=C2=
=A0
hand now if you won`t make that pledge tonight.

Mr. Trump.

(BOOS)

So, Mr. Trump, to be clear, you`re standing on a Republican primary debate=
=C2=A0
stage =E2=80=93

DONALD TRUMP (R), THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I fully understand.

DEBATE MODERATOR: =E2=80=93 he place where the RNC will give the nominee th=
e nod.

TRUMP: I fully understand.

DEBATE MODERATOR: Just to be clear, we`re going to move on, you`re not=C2=
=A0
going to make the pledge?

TRUMP: I will not make the pledge at this time.

DEBATE MODERATOR: All right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: That was August 2015. Major point of contention in the Republican=
=C2=A0
Party. Major point of contention at the Republican debates. Lots and lots=
=C2=A0
of drama around that issue.

All the other candidates say, yeah, I`ll make the pledge. But Donald Trump=
=C2=A0
for a long time would not. And that is why it was genuinely a big deal.=C2=
=A0
It was the resolution to something around which there was a lot of tension.=
=C2=A0
It was a big deal when on September 3rd, Donald Trump changed tack, finally=
=C2=A0
announced that yes, he would sign this pledge.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I have signed the problem.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

So I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party and the=
=C2=A0
conservative principles for which it stands. And we will go out and we=C2=
=A0
will fight hard and we will win.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: He signed it. He signed the pledge. I have signed the pledge.

It sort of feels like a silly turn in the campaign, now looking back at it.=
=C2=A0
But at the time, it was a big deal in the Republican primary.

And there were two things that were weird about it when it happened. The=C2=
=A0
first one was when he held up that piece of paper, everybody could see that=
=C2=A0
the date on it was wrong. It was September 3rd, not August 3rd. So, that=C2=
=A0
was kind of weird, the date was wrong.

The second thing that was strange was, hey, what`s this random Indonesian=
=C2=A0
guy doing there for this announcement? It was a weird moment at the time=C2=
=A0
and it really made no sense until now. We`re having one of those moments=C2=
=A0
when something that previously made no sense, makes sense.

Watch this. This is what happened that day. This is how Donald Trump, he=C2=
=A0
wrapped up, and then restarted his press conference about signing that=C2=
=A0
silly Republican pledge. It was so weird at the time. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.

(APPLAUSE)

Hey, ladies and gentlemen, this is a very =E2=80=93 an amazing man. He is, =
as you=C2=A0
know, right, speaker of the house of Indonesia. He`s here to see me.=C2=A0
Setya Novanto, one of the most powerful men and a great man and his whole=
=C2=A0
group is here to see me today. We will do great things for the United=C2=A0
States; is that correct?

SETYA NOVANTO, INDONESIAN POLITICIAN: Yes.

TRUMP: Do they like me in Indonesia?

NOVANTO: Yes, thank you very much.

TRUMP: Speaker of the house in Indonesia. Thank you very much.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: That was such a random moment in the presidential election, right?=
=C2=A0
Such a random moment in the Republican primary.

Press conference is over, he convenes this press conference to announce he=
=C2=A0
signs this pledge, holds the pledge up with the wrong date on it, does a=C2=
=A0
press conference about that, ends the press conference, thanks everybody,=
=C2=A0
thanks everybody, walks away, then comes back to the podium, starts up the=
=C2=A0
press conference again to tell everybody how awesome it is that he`s=C2=A0
meeting with his friend, the speaker of the house of Indonesia. His whole=
=C2=A0
group is here to see me today. We will do great things for the United=C2=A0
States, won`t we?

It was weird at the time, totally inexplicable. Well, now, we get it.=C2=A0
Because that was last September, September 2015. Donald Trump was doing=C2=
=A0
Donald Trump business that day. His presidential campaign was only a few=C2=
=A0
months old. The Indonesian speaker of the house was there meeting with him=
=C2=A0
at Trump Tower that day to talk about Trump`s business dealings in=C2=A0
Indonesia, a planned golf course and planned hotel.

Since then, that guy, the Indonesian speaker of the house, has gotten into=
=C2=A0
and out of a lot of trouble, because that company I was talking about,=C2=
=A0
that`s the largest taxpayer in Indonesia, that mining company that operates=
=C2=A0
a giant open pit mine that`s the largest gold mine in the world and you can=
=C2=A0
see it from space, that company with those huge holdings in Indonesia, one=
=C2=A0
of their executives met in Indonesia with that same politician who we just=
=C2=A0
saw with Donald Trump, and he secretly taped him. Secretly taped him=C2=A0
trying to shake down the mining company for $4 billion.

That mining company, Freeport, their contract to operate in Indonesia runs=
=C2=A0
out in 2021, runs out in four years. They would very much like to extend=C2=
=A0
that contract. They have a big new underground mine that they want to=C2=A0
build there too along with their biggest gold mine in the world.

And that politician, that Indonesian speaker of the house, the guy who was=
=C2=A0
standing there with Trump who got introduced at that press conference, that=
=C2=A0
politician was caught on tape telling the mining company that yeah, he=C2=
=A0
could get them an extension of their contract, in fact he could get them a=
=C2=A0
20-year extension of that contract with the Indonesian government, they=C2=
=A0
could get a deal to operate in that country until 2041, if they could=C2=A0
provide him with a little something. They would have to hand over 20=C2=A0
percent of the company, shares worth roughly $4 billion.

He said they could hand that over, what do we call it, an administrative=C2=
=A0
fee? They would have to hand that over through him. He would pass the=C2=A0
money on to the president and vice president of Indonesia. And that is how=
=C2=A0
Freeport could get their new contract with the government of Indonesia.

It`s a classic shakedown, right? And it was caught on tape. And the tape=C2=
=A0
went public in Indonesia just a few weeks after Donald Trump inexplicably=
=C2=A0
introduced this guy to the American press corps during the Republican=C2=A0
primary in the lobby of Trump Tower when he was making that announcement=C2=
=A0
about the stupid pledge.

And here we`re all like, who`s that guy? In Indonesia, that`s one of the=C2=
=A0
most powerful politicians in that huge country. And he`s caught red handed=
=C2=A0
and it`s on tape, and the tape goes public. Huge scandal.

The tapes were lurid. They were played over and over again in the=C2=A0
Indonesian media. By December of that year, by December 2015, three months=
=C2=A0
after he had that weird meeting with Trump that nobody understood, that=C2=
=A0
guy, the speaker of the house in Indonesia, forced to resign in the midst=
=C2=A0
of this scandal.

And then over the course of the ensuing year, things got even more wild=C2=
=A0
than that. He was facing this ethics tribunal for this caught on tape=C2=A0
corruption scandal. But then the tape itself got ruled inadmissible as=C2=
=A0
evidence before the tribunal. And this guy was powerful enough and=C2=A0
connected enough that even though he had had to resign in disgrace, even=C2=
=A0
though everybody had heard the tape, right after our election in November,=
=C2=A0
this past November, they actually returned this guy to power as speaker of=
=C2=A0
the house again.

And now two things have happened that sort of make us understand our new=C2=
=A0
world. Two things have happened that make this all make sense. Number one=
=C2=A0
is that the Trump organization has just confirmed to =E2=80=9CThe New York =
Times=E2=80=9D=C2=A0
that Donald Trump`s new real estate deals, that golf course he wants to=C2=
=A0
build, that resort he wants to build, the Indonesian resort deals that=C2=
=A0
brought this politician to Trump Tower in the first place, Trump=C2=A0
Organization has just confirmed to =E2=80=9CThe New York Times=E2=80=9D tho=
se deals are on.=C2=A0
Those projects are moving forward.

Remember when Donald Trump said right after he was elected that there would=
=C2=A0
be no new deals by the Trump organization now that he`s president-elect?=C2=
=A0
There are new deals that are absolutely under way in West Java, that`s the=
=C2=A0
golf course, and in Bali, that`s the hotel. Must be nice to have a very=C2=
=A0
powerful politician like the country`s speaker of the house helping you out=
=C2=A0
with real estate deals like that. And what does the Indonesian speaker of=
=C2=A0
the House get out of this deal? The man who was caught on tape trying to=C2=
=A0
squeeze $4 billion out of that gigantic American mining company, that`s the=
=C2=A0
largest taxpayer in his country?

And that brings us to the final piece of this, which is apparently how it`s=
=C2=A0
going to work in our country. We`re used to reading about how stuff works=
=C2=A0
like this, like, you know, autocratic leaders who have been in power for=C2=
=A0
decades, and their extended families who own more wealth than the rest of=
=C2=A0
the country combined, right? Politicians who get caught for corruption in=
=C2=A0
big foreign companies and how deals get done that helped people with the=C2=
=A0
right connections, right? I mean, we`re used to reading about this in like=
=C2=A0
terrible human rights reports on countries that end in =E2=80=9Cstan.=E2=80=
=9D

But now, we get an American chapter of this story, because the last piece=
=C2=A0
of this is that just as this speaker of the house in Indonesia gets=C2=A0
reinstated, after his corruption charges get thrown out on a technicality,=
=C2=A0
just as this speaker of the house helping Donald Trump with his real estate=
=C2=A0
deals gets put back in power, and just as those deals that will enrich the=
=C2=A0
next American president personally, just as those real estate deals get=C2=
=A0
turned back on in Indonesia, at the same time our incoming president=C2=A0
announces the newest member of his administration, a man who will serve=C2=
=A0
without a formal job title and without a salary and who will not be asked=
=C2=A0
to give up or even disclose any of his business contacts in order to take=
=C2=A0
this new position, a man who has been consulted already on the head of the=
=C2=A0
EPA, who is consulting now on picking the head of the SEC, who will=C2=A0
apparently be in charge of reviewing all corporation regulations in the new=
=C2=A0
administration, this new key member of the federal government for whom they=
=C2=A0
have invented a job without a formal portfolio, he is the single largest=C2=
=A0
shareholder in that mining company, whose mines in Indonesia you can see=C2=
=A0
from space.

The company that did not pay the $4 billion shakedown price to that=C2=A0
politician who is personally helping Donald Trump get richer in Indonesia=
=C2=A0
as president. And now that company will presumably be in an excellent=C2=A0
position to do whatever needs to be done to benefit whoever needs to be=C2=
=A0
benefitted. You scratch my back. I scratch a giant hole in the earth that=
=C2=A0
can be viewed from Mars.

This is apparently what it`s going to be like now. Everybody`s got to pay=
=C2=A0
attention now. I know it feels like time to not pay attention. We`ve all=C2=
=A0
got to pay attention.

A lot more ahead tonight. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MADDOW: Four years ago, in 2012, Democrats won the White House, when=C2=A0
President Obama was elected. Democrats also held on to control of the=C2=A0
Senate in 2012, which meant that after the 2012 elections, Republicans only=
=C2=A0
held the House. Things got better for the Republicans two years later, in=
=C2=A0
2014. In 2014, Republicans increased their hold on the House, but they=C2=
=A0
also took control of the Senate.

And so, as you know, for the last two years, for the last two years of the=
=C2=A0
Obama presidency, for this past Congress, even though President Obama has=
=C2=A0
been in the White House, Republicans have been in complete control on=C2=A0
Capitol Hill. And they had very high hopes for what they would be able to=
=C2=A0
do with complete control of Congress. We`re looking at archived tape today=
=C2=A0
of the first day of the Congress that ended today, like what happened,=C2=
=A0
today is the final day, what happened on the first day?

There was this great metaphor come to life moment on day one, at the very=
=C2=A0
start of this past Congress. It was then-Republican House Speaker John=C2=
=A0
Boehner. He was formally taking the podium to start this new Congress, to=
=C2=A0
start the session. And we learned something we had never known before.

Watch right over that black banner, see the black banner there? Watch=C2=A0
there. Whoop! See that? The podium is a machine. It goes up. Whoop!=C2=A0
It rises from the earth.

If you snap your heels together right and say the magic word, it rises,=C2=
=A0
whoop! Anyway. So, that was the first option day of this Congress, we=C2=A0
learned that about the podium.

Today is now officially the last day of this Congress, and however excited=
=C2=A0
the Republicans were, however much the metaphors all pointed in an up-going=
=C2=A0
direction, for all the things they were going to do with complete control=
=C2=A0
of the House and the Senate for these past two years, we can now say it has=
=C2=A0
not gone well.

Let`s start just for perspective with after World War II. This is all the=
=C2=A0
congresses, all the sessions of Congress that have happened since 1947.=C2=
=A0
Those blue lines show the number of bills that each Congress was able to=C2=
=A0
pass. The last line with the arrow pointing to it, that is the Congress=C2=
=A0
that comes to an end today. You will notice that Congress over the last=C2=
=A0
few years has been a little stunted, is probably the polite way to put it.

Since the Republicans took over the house in their big wave election in=C2=
=A0
2010. Look at that, the three Congresses since then, the 112th, 113th, and=
=C2=A0
114th Congress just ended today, those three are the least productive=C2=A0
congresses of all time. Since the Republicans took control of the House in=
=C2=A0
2010, the three congresses since then rank first, second, and third as the=
=C2=A0
least productive congresses we`ve ever had, since anybody started tracking=
=C2=A0
the productivity of congresses at the end of World War II.

This Congress just ending today also had the lowest confirmation rate for=
=C2=A0
civilian nominees in modern American history. For the first time since the=
=C2=A0
modern budget process was created in 1974, this Congress for the first time=
=C2=A0
ever, they didn`t even try to pass a budget. At least in previous terrible=
=C2=A0
congresses, they tried and failed to pass a budget. This time, they didn`t=
=C2=A0
even bother to try before they failed.

This Congress that just died =E2=80=93 excuse me, this Congress that just e=
nded=C2=A0
today, they also worked the fewest days of any Congress in the last 60=C2=
=A0
years. That`s impressive. Congress is less popular than gum on your shoe.=
=C2=A0
Congress is less popular than gum on your socks. Congress is less popular=
=C2=A0
than gum in your hair. And it has been for a good long time.

But this Congress just wrapping up today, they are special. They have=C2=A0
truly distinguished themselves for doing absolutely freaking nothing.

That said, a new Congress starts tomorrow morning. And the new Congress=C2=
=A0
that starts tomorrow is going to be very different than it has been for=C2=
=A0
these past few years. I mean, it`s possible they may be so atrophied from=
=C2=A0
lack of activity that they`re all going to spring something when they raise=
=C2=A0
their hands to get sworn in tomorrow.

But barring that, we`re expecting that things will get very, very busy,=C2=
=A0
very, very fast, start tomorrow, which will be a new thing to behold, after=
=C2=A0
watching Congress doing zippo for six straight years. We have =E2=80=93 the=
 last=C2=A0
six years we`ve lived through have been the least productive time in=C2=A0
Congress ever. And that`s now what we`ve gotten used to.

Tomorrow, that changes. If you have been zoning out since the election and=
=C2=A0
not wanted to pay attention to the news, I understand it, I get it. Oh, I=
=C2=A0
get it. But stuff really is starting to happen very fast now. The time to=
=C2=A0
not pay attention to the news has come to an end.

And especially we need to focus on something that is about to start=C2=A0
tomorrow that we`re not used to seeing. And the story of that is next.=C2=
=A0
Please stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: (VIDEO GAP) ready for the=C2=
=A0
possible opportunity of having unified government in 2017. The House went=
=C2=A0
through the entire exercise, every committee working every member of the=C2=
=A0
House Republican conference.

HOST: What were you smoking? No one thought that.

RYAN: I know no one thought that but we wanted to be ready. What I told=C2=
=A0
our committees a year ago, our members is, assume we get the White House=C2=
=A0
and Congress, then come 2018, what do you want to have accomplished for the=
=C2=A0
country?

So, this is exactly what Congress and the House has been working on for the=
=C2=A0
last year, getting everything ready to basically rock and roll in 2017 and=
=C2=A0
get working.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is ready to rock and roll,=C2=A0
basically, in 2017.

Republicans lost seats in the House and in the Senate in this election.=C2=
=A0
They lost two seats in the Senate. They lost six seats in the House. But=C2=
=A0
they are in charge on both sides of Capitol Hill and are about to have a=C2=
=A0
president of their own party. Donald Trump will be sworn as president=C2=A0
January 20th. But the new Congress gets sworn in tomorrow.

And what they say they`re going to start working on out of the gate is a=C2=
=A0
tiny little list =E2=80=93 dismantling Obamacare, starting to rip up Medica=
id,=C2=A0
which is the health insurance that more than one in five Americans are on.=
=C2=A0
They want to kill the Consumer Financial Production Bureau. They want to=C2=
=A0
kill the Wall Street reforms that were put in place after the crash, the=C2=
=A0
Dodd/Frank law. They want to start privatizing the V.A., which most=C2=A0
veterans say they`re very opposed to. And, of course, they want big tax=C2=
=A0
cuts for the wealthiest Americans and for corporations.

And that`s just the start. That`s what they want to start with. It`s a=C2=
=A0
very big and ambitious agenda. They`ve been wait to go fulfill it for=C2=A0
years, as you heard Paul Ryan just explain there. They have been planning=
=C2=A0
it for some time now.

Remember those dozens of times they fake repealed Obamacare? Now, we know=
=C2=A0
why they did it so many times. Practice, practice, practice.

But I have to tell you, we`re also just getting in some breaking news=C2=A0
tonight from Capitol Hill. This has just come in since we`ve been on the=C2=
=A0
air. It`s apparently started already. House Republicans met in a closed=C2=
=A0
door conference tonight and voted basically to scrap the Independent Ethics=
=C2=A0
Office in Congress.

This is the Office of Congressional Ethics that was created eight years ago=
=C2=A0
after a particularly lurid period of repeated congressional scandals. It`s=
=C2=A0
an independent ethics office that investigates misconduct of lawmakers and=
=C2=A0
staff members in the House. But there was a closed door meeting of House=C2=
=A0
Republicans tonight and they voted that instead of maintaining the=C2=A0
independent Office of Congressional Ethics, they`re going to put it under a=
=C2=A0
congressional committee, under the House Ethics Committee.

It sounds like a bureaucratic change, but what that means is there`s no=C2=
=A0
independent ethics oversight of Congress. This means lawmakers themselves=
=C2=A0
now get to police themselves now for ethics. And this means no ethics=C2=A0
investigation information will have to be released to the public. They can=
=C2=A0
police themselves now.

Nancy Pelosi put out a statement on this tonight. Quote, =E2=80=9CRepublica=
ns=C2=A0
claim they want to drain the swamp but the night before the new Congress=C2=
=A0
gets sworn in, the house GOP has eliminated the only independent ethics=C2=
=A0
oversight of their actions. Evidently, ethics are the first casualty of=C2=
=A0
the Republican Congress.=E2=80=9D Again, that news breaking in the last hal=
f hour.

Joining us now is Ed O`Keefe, congressional reporter for =E2=80=9CThe Washi=
ngton=C2=A0
Post=E2=80=9D.

Mr. O`Keefe, it`s really nice to see you. Thanks for your time tonight.

ED O`KEEFE, THE WASHINGTON POST: Happy New Year, Rachel. Good to see you.

MADDOW: Happy New Year and happy new Congress.

Let me ask you about this breaking news that we just got about the=C2=A0
independent ethics office in Congress. Where did that =E2=80=93 where did t=
hat=C2=A0
come from and why is this an important change?

O`KEEFE: So, the office of congressional ethics was established back in=C2=
=A0
2008, essentially in the wake of the Abramoff scandal, the Mark Foley=C2=A0
scandal. There was a public outcry and they realized they had to set up an=
=C2=A0
independent watchdog to basically field complaints and concerns about=C2=A0
campaign improprieties, personal behavior, other things. It`s existed for=
=C2=A0
the last eight years, barely has a set of teeth, and has presented some=C2=
=A0
information over the past few years that has led to the removal or the=C2=
=A0
resignation of some lawmakers. But there`s a belief that they could have=C2=
=A0
done a lot more.

What Republicans have done =E2=80=93 let`s be specific about this =E2=80=93=
 have done=C2=A0
tonight, is they had a closed door meeting, after the sun went down =E2=80=
=93 yes,=C2=A0
those things actually do happen, and decided amongst themselves that when=
=C2=A0
the new House convenes tomorrow afternoon, they`re going to present a rules=
=C2=A0
package that has to be voted on by Republicans and Democrats that will=C2=
=A0
include closing that office and putting it under the House Ethics=C2=A0
Committee. The reason is a majority of Republicans believe that the way=C2=
=A0
this office has worked in the last eight years is in essence unfair to them=
=C2=A0
because it doesn`t allow them a chance to appeal some of these complaints.=
=C2=A0
The new office won`t be allowed to field anonymous tips, which is what the=
=C2=A0
current one has been allowed to do.

One other important thing to point out here: we know that Paul Ryan and=C2=
=A0
Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy opposed closing this office, because they=C2=
=A0
don`t want you and I having this conversation, and they don`t want this to=
=C2=A0
become a PR nightmare for them, frankly, as the new Congress convenes=C2=A0
tomorrow. And this goes it seems against everything Donald Trump would=C2=
=A0
have campaigned about, right, draining the swamp and the desire to do=C2=A0
things in Washington to make it an ethical place?

Well, this seems to run counter to that. And it will be interesting to=C2=
=A0
watch Republican lawmakers tomorrow explain why they want to do this.

MADDOW: And, Ed, on that point, the substance of this change =E2=80=93 will=
 this=C2=A0
be =E2=80=93 will there be a difference now in terms of us, the press, and =
we, the=C2=A0
public, getting information about ethics complaints, about ethics=C2=A0
investigations of lawmakers? Is there an issue in terms of just what we=C2=
=A0
have access to when these complaints are made, when lawmakers are looked=C2=
=A0
into in terms of ethical misdoings?

O`KEEFE: Absolutely. And it was already pretty bad to begin with, because=
=C2=A0
the process was so secretive that they couldn`t reveal information, you=C2=
=A0
couldn`t get information out of this office for fear that they would get=C2=
=A0
shut down the way they may tomorrow, frankly. But ultimately, we would get=
=C2=A0
reports that either tell us that somebody was indeed facing some ethical=C2=
=A0
questions or that they had been excused. But it was a months-long, very=C2=
=A0
secretive process. It probably will be even more so now, if it goes=C2=A0
through.

MADDOW: And, Ed, in terms of the politics here, you mentioned that very=C2=
=A0
important point that House Speaker Paul Ryan and Majority Leader Kevin=C2=
=A0
McCarthy, they didn`t want to do this. They did not want this to be the=C2=
=A0
first headline of the new Congress, that they`ll be getting rid of the=C2=
=A0
ethics office. That implies that they`re having issues controlling their=C2=
=A0
own conference.

I mean, this vote tonight didn`t involve any Democrats. This vote was=C2=A0
Republicans only. And they lost it by a lot. If their leadership was=C2=A0
telling them to vote no, the yes vote was 119-74.

O`KEEFE: Yes.

MADDOW: That suggests some deep clefts in the Republican caucus, even=C2=A0
before they get fully under way.

O`KEEFE: Well, anyone who has been watching this television show known as=
=C2=A0
Congress for the last eight years knows that clefts have existed, frankly.=
=C2=A0
And I think this is just an example of the kinds of divisions we`ll see=C2=
=A0
over the next few months. Yes, Republicans starting tomorrow are going to=
=C2=A0

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