I'm happy with the proposed changes, as far as my review
goes. I agree with Marc, it seems correct to verify such
changes in normative requirements with the WG.

   Brian

On 2009-10-16 06:32, Marc Blanchet wrote:
> these changes are enough important that we must have wg review on this
> before proceeding further. I suggest we should bring this (SHOULD/MUST
> TLS) to the wg.
> 
> Marc.
> 
> Cyrus Daboo a écrit :
>> Hi Alexey,
>>
>> --On October 13, 2009 11:54:39 AM +0100 Alexey Melnikov
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I would be happy with that; it's probably something to be checked with
>>>> the WG since it's a change in normative requirements.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I wonder if this needs to be phrased as "Clients MUST implement TLS
>>> support, SHOULD use it"?
>>
>> I think MUST is too strong. There a situations where a client may
>> exist on a private network (e.g. a server farm with a carddav server
>> and a webapp accessing it) where there is no need for TLS, or they may
>> exist in an environment where some other form of security layer is
>> present (e.g. ipsec). Implementors of such clients should not be
>> burdening with implementing TLS if they don't need it.
>>
>>>>>> On the same lines,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Clients MAY choose to warn users when they create address data in a
>>>>>>   public address book, copy or move address data into public address
>>>>>>   books, or change access privileges in such a way as to expose
>>>>>> address
>>>>>>   data to unauthenticated users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why isn't that a SHOULD?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am a little nervous about putting such a requirement on a client.
>>>>> First of all, what does it really mean to "warn" a user? An alert, an
>>>>> icon, a noise? Does it happen only the first time they do an
>>>>> action, or
>>>>> each time? SHOULD seems a little strong when the nature of the warning
>>>>> is really going to be implementation dependent.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, if there is consensus for this change, it may be
>>>>> necessary to
>>>>> explain a little more what "warn" means.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is a problem. I'm not a privacy expert, but it does seem like
>>>> something that could one day end up as bad news. ("XYZ Corporation
>>>> revealed private data for 27,000 customers, FCC investigation alleges.
>>>> We just followed the IETF standard, says XYZ spokesman.") I think it
>>>> needs a little thought.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think SHOULD is better here.
>>> And yes, I think some explanation of what "warns" mean is needed, as
>>> well
>>> as some possible description of "remember my answer" checkbox (or
>>> similar).
>>
>> OK, I can change that paragraph to
>>
>>    Clients SHOULD warn users in an appropriate fashion when they copy or
>>    move address data from a private address book to a shared address book
>>    (one accessible by other authenticated users only) or public address
>>    book (one accessible by unauthenticated users). Clients SHOULD provide
>>    a clear indication as to which address books are private, shared or
>>    public. Clients SHOULD provide an appropriate warning when changing
>>    access privileges for a private or shared address book with data so as
>>    to allow unauthenticated users access.
>>
>> Is that reasonable?
>>
> 
> 

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